Portal talk:Catholic Church

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Cite error, needs fixing

Greetings, At the very bottom of Portal page is a "Cite error" showing. If someone could correct that would be great. Unfortunately I don't know much about Refs & citations. Thanks, — JoeHebda • (talk) 18:16, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Feast day = Red link

Greetings, To the right of "Selected article" is the "Feast day of..." section. For today Aug. 11th is a redlink Portal:Catholicism/Patron Archive/August 11 link. I have no idea how to fix. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 13:32, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Found there are missing (not created) articles in the patron archive. So the 365 day calendar is incomplete. After further searching I found Portal:Saints has a Selected saint days list which is helpful. Better yet there is Portal:Saints/Anniversaries although I don't see how this is actually being used on the portal main page. — JoeHebda • (talk) 14:07, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Update: - Completed work on Portal:Catholicism/Patron Archive, adding a Saint (placeholder content) for all missing days. JoeHebda (talk) 14:22, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Change name of Portal:Catholicism to Portal:Catholic Church

Portal:Catholicism is bad name, Portal:Catholic Church is correct name, please change this ! Speltdecca (talk) 02:13, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

@Speltdecca: No, new editor. This has been discussed before and there's no consensus for change. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:00, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

What about other "ism"'s?

Now that the name change was done, what about "Anglicanism", "Methodism", "Protestantism", "Calvinism", "Lutheranism", "Unitarianism"? What about "Baptist" move to "Baptist Church"? And there may be more. JoeHebda (talk) 03:50, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Asking for help at Portal Catholicism, Patron saint archive

Greetings, I'm asking for help updating the Patron saint archive here. There are 365 articles, so at Portal:Catholicism, right column, Feast Day of shows one of these articles each day. Recently I removed all the red-links by posting a minimal place-holder content. Next I'm now updating (started at July 13) articles with a pre-defined template here.

Some articles already have content and just need the template added.

{{Portal:Catholicism/Patron/Layout <!-- Template for Portal, Catholicism, Patron Archive -->

|image=<!-- Link to image goes here -->

|size=<!-- Leave blank, default (blank) is good -->

|caption= <!-- Caption (optional) for image goes here -->

|text=<!-- Begin article content here -->

|link= <!-- Wikilink to saint article goes here -->

|Attributes= <!-- Attributes go here -->

|Patronage=<!-- Patronage goes here -->

}}

Sorry for above "hack" to get empty shell to display.

For other articles, content from the saint's article can be copy-and-paste to the archive article (a condensed version). Currently, I'm updating August articles. If you all could start updating at September, or your "favorite month" that would be great! Thanks, JoeHebda (talk) 17:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@JoeHebda: Thanks for your improvement efforts, but I have a recommendation: as you and other editors update the subpages, or create new ones, I strongly suggest that you do not copy text from articles, since this is a violation of WP:COPYWITHIN unless the edit summary is written very carefully, and since this prevents future updates in the article from being automatically reflected here in the portal. Instead, please use the {{Transclude lead excerpt}} template in the |text= parameter on each subpage, which keeps the subpage in sync with the article and has no WP:COPYWITHIN issues. If you need help using the template, or with anything else, please let me know. UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:51, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

@UnitedStatesian: - Thanks so much for this info. A great shortcut to getting all 365 articles eventually updated with both templates. I had started on July 13th adding the Portal:Catholicism/Patron/Layout template. Whatever was previously written I just copy & pasted into template. Was not aware of the copyvio. Going fwd I will include the transclude instead. Still learning new stuff. Cheers! JoeHebda (talk) 20:03, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Evaluation of template "Transclude lead excerpt"

Greetings @UnitedStatesian: - So far, I've applied the template from August 28, all of September, and the first day of remaining calendar months. From what I'm seeing this is a great way for these entries to be continually updated from article lead updates. So very little maintenance if any needed here on the portal side. I really like the shortness as some of those were rather long. It encourages use of the "Read more". Unfortunately, many of the article leads are extremely short and/or of poor quality. But that will be another task later on. Priority now is to have all 365 archive entries using both templates. Again, thank you for your suggestion. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 19:49, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 25 September 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved as unopposed, including 906 of the 907 subpages of "Portal:Catholicism". As stated below, I was unable to move Portal:Catholicism/Patron Archive to Portal:Catholic Church/Patron Archive since it has move protection. I have requested that page be moved via WP:RMTR, and may update this close after the aforementioned page is moved. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 20:55, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

...And Portal:Catholic Church/Patron Archive now exists. Steel1943 (talk) 14:45, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

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Portal:Catholicism → Portal:Catholic Church – (over redirect) I know this was discussed before, above, but I believe the situation has changed since then. There is now no article Catholicism (it's a redirect), and I think there is significant value in having the portal name align with the name of the article Catholic Church and the head Category:Catholic Church. To the !voters before who basically opposed only because "moving portals is hard" (I paraphrase, of course), I don't think that should be a factor in where the portal should be best located; I and many other editors have moved many, many large portals with no issues. Pinging previous nominator and discussion participants @PPEMES:, @Chris troutman:, @Andy M. Wang:, @Twillisjr:,@Andrewa:, @BrownHairedGirl:. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:39, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

• ...Working on moving all 907 of these subpages ... Steel1943 (talk) 20:05, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
  • ...And done with 906 of the 907. The only one I could not move was Portal:Catholicism/Patron Archive to Portal:Catholic Church/Patron Archive because it has move protection. I have requested that page be moved via WP:RMTR. Steel1943 (talk) 20:45, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

@UnitedStatesian: Fair enough. Would you bother about the same thing to Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism? PPEMES (talk) 14:05, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

@PPEMES:. Since WikiProjects are not reader-facing content, there is much more latitude in naming them (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Furry as one example); I would leave it up to the project participants to make the call. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:41, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

OK. Yet, in inlinks to this portal, such in sidebar and footer templates, the link still says "Portal:Catholicism". Should that be changed too? PPEMES (talk) 14:29, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Portal error - needs fixing

Greetings, On the Portal "Main page" tab, when I click on tab "Pontifex Maximus" and tab "The Town and the World", both have the same error. Within those pages, {{{title}}} appears several times. Asking for expert help, as I'm clueless how to correct. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 12:11, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@JoeHebda: I fixed both pages. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:15, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@UnitedStatesian: - Thanks! JoeHebda (talk) 13:32, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Portal error - Red link

Greetings UnitedStatesian, or any other Expert. After move from "Catholicism" to "Catholic Church", section "Topics" now has redlink for "Portal:Catholic Church/Catholic Church topics". I have no idea how to fix. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 03:42, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

• Now resolved. Steel1943 (talk) 11:48, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

The main templates Template:Christianity footer‎‎ and Template:History of Christianity

I am having issues trying to make my point come across about WP:NPOV on talk pages of Template:Christianity footer‎‎ and Template:History of Christianity. Feel free to chime in. PPEMES (talk) 14:03, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Red Errors - The time allocated for running scripts has expired.

Greetings @The Transhumanist: - Today I logged in first time since last summer. On the CC portal page there are numerous red Error messages about "running scripts". Since I have no clue how to fix, wondering if you could help or know of an Admin who could? Thanks, JoeNMLC (talk) 18:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

@Evad37: and @The Transhumanist: - There is a problem with the template output which has been generating the following error messages on Portal:Catholic Church in multiple places on the portal.

      The time allocated for running scripts has expired. This is way beyond anything that I could fix. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 20:00, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done - Problem is now solved by reducing {{Transclude selected current events}} "Days" from 365 to 180 to keep page load time under 10 seconds. Details on that transclude talk page. JoeNMLC (talk) 14:48, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Portal News section, monthly image

Greetings, Today I changed wikicode so image in news section changes every month. To get started I added January, February, March and will add remaining months. Going forward if anyone would like to change images, see instructions at Portal:Catholic Church/News/Image page. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 17:33, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Needed - Current events for Portal News section

On and off during 2021 I have posted various Catholicism-related entries at "Current events". These automatically are posted into this portal's news section. Then manually copy-and-paste into the "News archive". Asking for help from additional editors as I'm not always able to work on this. Sharing here is my User page News section to locate more Catholic news. JoeNMLC (talk) 14:51, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Americentrism of Catholic templates

I was just reading the article for Catholic Answers and found it interesting (and a bit bizarre) that the template Abortion and the Catholic Church is present in the article. On further investigation, the article is actually listed in the template itself under the activism section. I wasn't aware that this website was a force in the abortion debate (my run ins with it was with its excellent forums that no longer exist and its online Catholic bible), nor could I find any mention on its article that it had an such involvement, but this is not the reason why I am commenting here. Further examination of this Template, especially the Activism section would make any logical person assume that its function is tailored specifically towards the activism, and to a lesser extent the abortion debate, solely in the United States.

Of the 14 links in the Activism section, 11 are concerning the United States. There are 8 organisations mentioned, all of which are either based or were founded in the country. The other links here are up the subsection of March for Life, three of which (50%) are US cities. The Dissidence section is entirely US-based and the See Also section has a link entitled "In the United States".

The world does not revolve around the United States, especially in terms of the "universal" Catholic Church. I am not American nor have I even lived in the US so I cannot make any judgements, however this template clearly does not represent a worldwide view or coverage on the subject and must be altered to do so. A template specifically for the US may be necessary, but this is not the place for Usonocentricism! UaMaol (talk) 23:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)