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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted 21:06, 15 March 2008.

List of European Cup and Champions League winning managers edit

I'm nominating this to become a featured list - it's well illustrated, well referenced and meets the criteria. Thanks in advance for your comments, criticism and energy. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support although there appears to be a typo in reference 21 which needs fixing. Other than that, excellent work as ever ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:39, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support although I've left a {{cn}} for you to deal with, TRM. I do maintain that the default should be to list the winners in reverse chrono order, consistent with your other article at FLC, but it's not a deal breaker for me. --Dweller (talk) 12:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for the {{cn}}, it's fixed now. As for chronology, I'm not worried but it will take me more than five minutes to reverse it, which I currently don't have! I'll do it later, at least it'll be consistent, as you say, with the other list. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:56, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Actually, Struway2 has pointed me to guidelines which say it shouldn't be in reverse order so I've reversed the other list...! The Rambling Man (talk) 13:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, though I'd like to see a note about the number of managers who have won with a team from a different country than their own (similar to the UEFA Cup managers list). -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 20:33, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks Matthew, but can you drop me a line on exactly what you're expecting? I see a table summarising the wins by nationality on each list and nothing else... (but it is early and I am tired..!) The Rambling Man (talk) 08:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Scratch that Matthew, I see it. I'll put something in (if it's pertinent)... The Rambling Man (talk) 13:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I think for consistency's sake, but if it's not there I'm not about to un-support! -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 18:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Wondering about the title. Should it be ...and UEFA Champions League winning managers, that being the name of the competition and the title of its wiki article, rather than just Champions League? (personally, I don't care, on the basis that having to call things FIFA World Cup and suchlike irritates me intensely, but I thought the question needed asking) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, I think so too. I had been wondering that, I inherited the title so I'm happy to move the page over for the sake of consistency... The Rambling Man (talk) 15:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, anyway, seeing as I gave you enough time to incorporate all points raised at the other FLC. Though you may want to proof-read Mr Trappatoni's image caption. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks like TRM fixed it. --Dweller (talk) 11:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments See my comments made in the List of UEFA Cup Winners' Cup winning managers FLC. Many of the same concerns apply here. Drewcifer (talk) 08:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved stuff from Drewcifer

Oppose:

  • My biggest concern is that nearly every source is from the UEFA itself. Or in other words, the article completely lacks third-party sources.
    • Working on getting another set of citations from our much trusted fchd.info. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've now added a completely indpendent general reference for this, from rsssf.com. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The in-line citations are over wikilinked. Only the first instance of a publisher value should be wikilinked.
    • I disagree, respectfully. I don't believe a reader should go searching for the first instance of a source should it be used dozens of times. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is Frank Rijkaard in the lead, while the others are beside the table? I'd recommend putting him down there with the others.
  • The lead should include a bolded description of the page.
  • I'd recommend centering the Final column.
  • The flag columns are great, but they are a little big confusing. It's not entirely obvious which other columns they apply to. On one hand I'd say give it a column header, but that would kind of ruin the functionality... any ideas?
    • As per UEFA Cup list, Struway2 and I discussed this. Unless there's a better idea, it'll just stay as it is I suppose.. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another problem with the flags is that the link to the image, not the country. Again, I don't have a solution up my sleeve, but that seems like a problem.
    • As per UEFA Cup list, the {{sort}} template doesn't help here. It's not that big a problem really since it at least links to the name of the country in one way or another, but if I need the list to be capable of sorting per nationality of winner or nationality of team, that's the way it'll be until someone clever sorts the sort template... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • An external links section would be nice. Drewcifer (talk) 03:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support The general reference is good, but I'm still a little iffy about so many in-lines from 1st party though... but not enough to oppose the FLC. Good work! Drewcifer (talk) 11:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Great work as usual NapHit (talk) 19:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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