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The article was promoted by Ian Rose 10:01, 11 May 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

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Nominator(s): Dwaipayan (talk) 14:59, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because the previous FAC was withdrawn due to concerns over prose quality. Since then, User:Skinsmoke worked hard to improve the quality of the prose in many parts of the article. This is a small state nestled in the northeastern corner of India. Geographically marginalized, it has notable biodiversity and is making gradual progress in human development and economy, although lacking any large scale industry. Many topics on the state have no wikipedia articles, so you will find a number of red links. I believe those redlinks deserve individual articles, and so kept the red links on. Hope you enjoy the article. Regards Dwaipayan (talk) 14:59, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Minor comment: "North East India" is written in several ways in the article--as a single word, hyphenated, lower case, upper case etc. Please be uniform.—indopug (talk) 19:47, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks Indopug. User:Skinsmoke suggested that modern British English would prefer North East. So, I have now changed all entries in the text to North East. However, in case of references, we have kept as they appeared in the reference.--Dwaipayan (talk) 21:30, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tripura Map - Give a footnote, that the number of districts have increased or try to find someone who may re-draw the map according to new boundaries. Should have an alt text.
  • Updated map showing eight districts is now added.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:24, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • A reliable history of the kingdom, or the residents of Tripura, is missing due to the lack of any documentation or other form of evidence. Kindly mention the period during which the data is missing, with citations.
  • Commented out that sentence as I could not find citation, though I have a feeling I read it somewhere. If unable to find out the reference soon, will delete the sentence altogher.--Dwaipayan (talk) 00:18, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agartala, the capital of Tripura, is the largest city. Citation please
  • Nowhere could I find size data of the cities! Have changed it to "Most populous" and provided citation.--Dwaipayan (talk) 00:18, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The main political parties are the Left Front and the Indian National Congress. Until 1977, the state was governed by the Indian National Congress. The Left Front was in power from 1978 to 1988, and then again from 1993 onwards. During 1988–1993, the Congress and Tripura Upajati Juba Samiti were in a ruling coalition. Citation please
  • Citations added.
  • In times of peak power demand, the state has to borrow 50–60 MW electricity from the North Eastern grid of the national transmission network. Citation please
  • Citation added.
  • As of 2011, 255,241 hectares (985 sq mi) of land in Tripura is cultivable, of which 108,646 hectares (419 sq mi) has the potential to be covered by irrigation projects. Citation please
  • The two sentences after this sentence has citation. This sentence is sourced from same reference. Since the paragragraph already has mentioned the same source twice, I though adding the same footnote after this sentence would be citation overkill.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Citation 27 add PDF format.

I am not going into the prose issues as of now. Amartyabag TALK2ME 04:17, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support All the issues raised by me has been addressed, I find no serious flaws in terms of referencing and MOS. A support from myside. Amartyabag TALK2ME 15:59, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Minor: I can see that in infobox HDI is 0.663 and HDI is rightly linked to Human Development Index; below that it is HDI rank and it says 18th(2006) now here shouldn't it be linked to list of hdi of Indian states. Because I know it is 18th in Indian states but many people wouldn't. Thought this should be rectified. I haven't edited myself as I saw it is being reviewed for featured article candidate.--Vyom25 (talk) 14:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: I don't see anymore issues in this article so I support.--Vyom25 (talk) 18:21, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Formatting: some refs are formatted [16]:3–4, while others have pp. in notes. Make consistent.
  • The apparent discrepancy is due to the use of Template:Rp. Use of this template is permitted "when you are referring to specific pages within a source which is cited many times in the same article."
  • Not familiar with this style much. Some other reviewer who is more knowledgeable about the style should check. Redtigerxyz Talk 15:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Probably mention of Rabindranath Tagore and S. D. Burman is WP:UNDUE. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:45, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed Tagore. Reduced info on SD Burman, but retained his mention. Naming a few cultural icons that originate from a state is not unusual in state article.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:17, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Image check - all OK, just some nitpicks and comments (mostly about captions) (Done):

  • maps - OK. I have not read the entire extensive India-related background information. AGF, that the maps depict the current political situation as neutral as possible.
  • captions - could be shorter and more succinct (see MOS:CAPTION). A caption should only describe the image content and very briefly establish some context with the article. All other additional information and important facts should be moved and integrated into the regular article text.
  • Reduced caption text in many instances.--Dwaipayan (talk) 03:22, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Agartala_(27).JPG - auto rickshaws aren't mentioned in the section. If this aspect is important enough for an image, it should be mentioned in the regular text aswell (see above, "captions").

GermanJoe (talk) 09:14, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks. I will act on your suggestions soon. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:17, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
All points improved, thanks. GermanJoe (talk) 06:58, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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I'd like to see a population figure, mention of some of the major mountains rather than just the figure, and some mention of major educational institutions/landmarks.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:41, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note Due to an unforeseen real life issue, I will be able to access Internet only intermittently for about 7-8 days. So, replying and addressing concerns here in the fac could be delayed. I am definitely going to address your point, Dr Blofeld, soon. Thanks, and regards, --Dwaipayan (talk) 15:58, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reply to Dr Blofeld Added mountain ranges, and population in the lead. I am not sure if any of the educational institutes are "famous" enough in a national level to get a mention in the lead; of course, they are important for the states. I will try to think about this. Regarding landmarks, again I am not sure what to include in the lead. Perhaps the palace in Agartala is nationally known, but not many others (unlike, say, in Hyderabad, India where many famous landmarks are there). Any advice? Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:18, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I tried to add in the lead about some historically significant landmarks. I do not think the court is significant enough as a landmark to add in the lead. It used to be a Bench of Guwahati High Court until a few weeks ago when it became a full-fledged High Court. The building itself is probably nothing notable (and is not mentioned in the article body). Please reconsider your suggestion on court.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:23, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Comments - reading through now....will jot queries below...Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:47, 7 May 2013 (UTC) possibly a little more Bangladesh relations could be added but I think we are over the line now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
... but the establishment of an autonomous tribal administrative agency and other strategies have engendered peace. - "engendered" is a bit fancy, why not just "led to" or "resulted in"?
Changed that to led to. Actually it used to be something like this, and then recently I came across the word engendered in another article, and fancied it could be an appropriate word here! Apologies for that, I should have checked the usage of this word thoroughly before using it here. Thanks for pointing this out. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:48, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Although there is no evidence of lower or middle Paleolithic phase in Tripura - "phase" is a funny word to use here - maybe "settlement" or something...?
Changed to settlements.
In the Transport section, it would be good to clarify whether there is cross-border movement/roads/commerce/transport with Bangladesh - are the borders closed? Are there roads? Is there much traffic between Agartala and Bangladesh etc.
Added a paragraph on this in Transport section. Please have a look. I will try to further search on this, and if something notable come up, will certainly add. Thanks a lot for this point.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:26, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, that's better, but I still don't get a sense of the average person's experience - can many local people cross to and fro? Or is it pretty hard to do? Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:25, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Legally, the citizens of each country need visa to go to the other country. However, there is illegal movement across the border, and, according to Indian government, illegal immigration to India from Bangladesh (the illegal immigration is more on the West Bengal side though). The border is legally closed, and free movement across it is not permitted. I do not think we will have data regarding how many people legally cross the border either way. And definitely there is no data on illegal movements. So, to answer your question here, no data on exact amount of people crossing the border (legal and illegal), but definitely it is hard to do so. Do you think the information on need of visa will be appropriate in this section of the article?--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:36, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think whatever sourced information on the issue is good to add - Bangladesh surrounds the state on three sides, and giving some idea of the openness and closedness of the borders and what it is like for local people is very helpsul - are visas very expensive? do many or very few people have them? Any of the information you just wrote above, if any can be sourced would be good to add. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:49, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
NB: If info can't be sourced then that is fine not to include it - I suspect it is a delicate area. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:50, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
NB: The source for the train info mentions border haats (whatever they are (?)) but also talks about encouraging trade between the region and Bangladesh. Any information on this or future developments would be good to add to the Economy section.
Thanks for these excellent points. We completely missed these all this time, including during peer review, GA nomination etc. I am working on finding reliable sources on these, and will add stuffs in appropriate sections soon. Bye the way, haat is a Bengali/Hindi term that usually means rural market. Sometimes the term is used in modern context of market/plaza, such as Dilli Haat.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:16, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Aaah ok, well I learnt something new today :) - look, this'll be the last thing as all else looks in order. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:45, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I added content in appropriate sections on trade with Bangladesh and that illegal movement across border is widespread. Please have a look. I did not add anything on "future prospects" as of now; because many future plans are declared in South Asia, and many of them remain in incubator for indefinite time. If we come across something more definite, we'll add. What is your opinion? Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 22:33, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise looking pretty good prose-wise now. I can't see any other deficits content-wise but am not familiar with the subject matter. A nice read....Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:36, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delegate comment -- pls review your dup links using Ucucha's script. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 04:36, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks. I did review the duplicate links, and fixed several of those. Of course, kept the links in a few cases where seemed appropriate. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:19, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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