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I replied to you here, if you're interested. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 02:44, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

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It's been a long time!

I noticed your comments over at Talk:New Chronology (Rohl), & thought I'd drop by to say hello. The 'pedia has gotten so large our paths don't cross any more. -- llywrch (talk) 20:41, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes I think I'm the only old-timer left. :-) -- llywrch (talk) 21:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Louise, granddaughter of Charles X

John, please go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Princess_Louise_Marie_Th%C3%A9r%C3%A8se_of_France where I tried in a mile-long explanation (!!!) to answer your question as to surname *d'Artois* vs *de France* for Louise Marie Thérèse, daughter of the duc de Berry. Regards, Frania W. (talk) 14:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Lord Forbes

John you created an article called Lord Forbes way back in 2004. Should it not be at Baron Forbes? --PBS (talk) 11:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, I did not know that. --PBS (talk) 12:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Formal warning

One more personal attack on me and I will seek to have you blocked. Sarah777 (talk) 21:11, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

List of celebrity and notable guest appearances in Doctor Who

There's a new AfD nomination for an article you've previously discussed. Please stop by to voice your opinions again. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 11:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Holy Roman Empire

I have no argument with you - I am sorry that I don't still have the few books I found. My main concern is that many people today consider Charlemagne the fonder of the HRE for ideological reasons. I am aware that Otto looked back to Charlemagne as an antecedent but clearly he did so for ideological reasons. Myabe my problem is that there is no satisfying discussion of the meaning of these words in the context of struggles for legitimacy. MY fear is that most Wikipedia articles are naive realists and do not see things in their political context. They think that there is this real "thing" called the HRE and Charlemagne was in it, or he wasn't. When the issue is more complicated. Am I wrong?

I am willing to defer to your knowledge. But I am sorry that Johanna Kemp is not still around, as I also respected her knowledge. here is what she wrote on the matter:

I've removed all the references to the Carolingians, because they just weren't Holy Roman Emperors. It's not even arguable. They styled themselves either Roman Emperors or Emperors of the Romans. Their Empire was in no was organized like that of the later HRE, nor were their administration or institutions the same. The fact that some of what eventually became the HRE had once been ruled by the Carolingians is beside the point. The HRE arguably starts with Otto I, because it was under his rule that it began to take shape in the way we know it. The 'arguable' comes in because there is some evidence that Otto himself looked back to Charlemagne as a model. There is also evidence, however, that the Ottonians looked to the Byzantine Emperors as well. In any case, Otto is a much safer beginning point, although it was not till later -- AFAIK, not to the Salians, that teh title HRE comes into normal use. This means there is clean-up to do in terms of the Carolingian emperors, who will need to be changed to something else -- this is especially sticky, by the way, because the Carolingian emperors themselves seldom used the "Roman", preferring merely the title ' Imperator '. I've been wading through Carolingian legal documents all day, as it happens. JHK 02:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

You're right, I could have cleaned it up, but I don't have the time. I used to contribute a great deal, and got tired of fighting lame battles. Also, since I didn't write the original errors, I don't see why I should clean up every piece of someone else's mess. It would be like going in and trying to fix the mess that is the Charlemagne article. Some of it is not bad, but it's misleading in many places. By the way, AFAIK (and I have to say I know a decent amount -- my PhD thesis was on the Carolingians), there is no current accepted authority that argues for continuity. Most of those arguments come from late C19 and early C20 history that tried to show a great continuous history of a German Nation. And I don't know of any reputable history that considers the Spoletans as anything more than interlopers. Althoff, who is perhaps the most accepted authority on imperial traditions and the Ottonians at the moment, certainly doesn't see continuity, except in some of the imagery and ritual. Even then, the Ottonians ignore the Carolingian emperors -- the look directly to Charlemagne. JHK 03:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Do you think that you could spend some real time on the article and revise it so that these points, to the extent you find them falid, are not just there but clearly explained?

I just do not think it is a simple matter of adding Charlemagne's name or not. If we add his name even if we use some nuanced terms like "Although not considered HRE by historians, Otto considered Charlemagne an antecedent" I am still concerned some people will just think that there is a real continuity where there wasn't, and that these names have simple meanings divorced from the politics of legitimation. That is why I feel that IF we put his name in the lead, we need to add more, not in the lead but in the body, about how various people's claims to being Holy or Roman were highly ideological and that the success of the Ottonian enterprise had as much to do with institutional innovation, or even more to do with institutional innovation, than with continuity with Charlemagne (or Theodosius!!). Is this a reasonable point? Slrubenstein | Talk 17:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I am not entirely satisfied with what you propose, in part because I thought I read - and John, i can SO easily be wrong - that Charlemagne refered to himself as Roman Emperor, but not as "Holy" Roman emperor. There are several variables here: the precise title used; whetheror not the Pope was inolved are just two. My preference would be to leave the intro as is, saying most historians consider Otto to be the first Holy Roman Emperor even though he id not use that title, because he was the founder of what would soon be called the HRE.

Then I would propose a section, either in the history section or before it, describing the power vacuum with the fall of the Western empire, and the fact that with its demise the Church was one of the few stable institutions. Thus, warlords who sought to establish institutionlized dynasties or regimes regularly refered to the Roman Empire or to the Catholic Church as props for legitimation. For exmple, Charlemage refered to himself as Roman Emperor ... and so on - just a paragraph or two about the environment which made certain moves available and appealing. Then something about how the Ottonians are properly considered the HRE not merely because ofthe invocation of Rome or the associaion with the pope, but because of the creation of new forms of institutionalized governance that functioned for over a thousand years. Request/proposal: could you write such a paragraph perhaps incorporating material written by JHK in what I pasted above, and then put it in the body? I still be ieve such a paragraph or two would do far more to educate our readers than just throwing Charlemagne's name in (or keepeing it out) as a sop to a partiular political position. Slrubenstein | Talk 23:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Louis XV

If you still care - which you probably don't - Louis XV was duc d'Anjou before his uncle and father died. -- Jack1755 (talk) 11:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Thanks for the explanation on Mary II and France! I would love to do a Ph.D. in history one day...

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Please stop edit warring on this article. Why, exactly, do you feel this article is improved by a sea of redlinks? Sarah777 (talk) 23:21, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

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Personal attacks

John. I see you apologeticness didn't last very long. You have just posted a personal attack on me; one which I removed as per advice from Chillum. Please do not restore it again. Sarah777 (talk) 01:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Chillum actually said, "If when you remove a personal attack you are reverted, then do not remove it again". (01:01, 14 August 2009 in his talk page archive). MickMacNee (talk) 11:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Ha. Wonderful. john k (talk) 12:43, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Chillum has a less than 100% record in the judgment department. McNamee, your personal attack on me is not forgotten. Sarah777 (talk) 18:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Sarah, you're the one who cited Chillum to support your actions. john k (talk) 18:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Who the fuck is McNamee? Does he play for Celtic? Cos he's getting humped if he is. MickMacNee (talk) 20:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

John. Because I agree with one piece of advice Chillum gives hardly means I need to share his religion, now does it? Sarah777 (talk) 23:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

MackNamee, please don't write "f***" on Wiki, especially on John's page. He is most likely a refined person. A concept foreign to you I wager. Sarah777 (talk) 23:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm okay with profanity. I'm not overly delicate about such things, so don't stop on my account. I will say that I'm generally not a fan of purposely getting people's names wrong, as you are now doing with MickMacNee and were previously doing iwth me. As to the "piece of advice" from Chillum, it was not at all what you said it was. He said you were free to remove personal attacks if you like, but that you should not re-remove them if somebody adds them back in. He was not advising you to remove personal attacks at all, just saying that it was arguably acceptable. To the extent that he was giving you advice, it was not to do something which you did in fact do - removing supposed personal attacks a second time when somebody has put them back in. john k (talk) 23:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

You did get Masem's title-name wrong here [1]. I was out for the evening and thought it's be all over and done with. Disappointed to say the least. Tfz 00:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

JK, sorry for misspelling your name; that was actually an error not deliberate. In your case. I think. I spotted your question re the Triangle of Civility. It was something I found on Chillum's page; a "how to" measure comments for their civility quotient. Copy of it on User:Evertype's page. Or there was. Sarah777 (talk) 07:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

And Philly in September - that sounds damned inviting if you are stuck on a rainy rock in the North Atlantic! Sarah777 (talk) 07:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

personal page

Just a suggestion --- perhaps you would like to move your personal page User:John Kenney/Elephant (wikipedia article) to User:John Kenney/Wikipedia:Elephant. Since undoing a move is somewhat of a hassle, I'm not going to do it for you, just suggest it to you if you would like to do it. Honestly, I cannot envision this personal page ever becoming an article, but I can see it surviving under Wikipedia:Elephant. Take it for what it's worth. However whatever (talk) 21:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

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Re your second complaint

I did start marking the edits as minor; sometimes I forget. I shall try to remember. The way you used the word "seriously" in your admonishment could be construed as verging on uncivil. Please dont leave me any more messages.Willy turner (talk) 19:37, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Apologies for any incivility. john k (talk) 19:59, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Egyptian chronology

Bad indeed. In fact, there's a general problem which is that in most of our articles some editor has chosen a particular set of dates and we generally ignore the fact there are other dates. Thus we get someone asking how Sneferu's reign can have been over before he started building the Red pyramid, for instance. This is made worse by navboxes at the bottom of Pharaoh articles that allow for only one set of dates. Dougweller (talk) 16:33, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

OR and apologies

A discussion about my archiving of your comments is ongoing at my talk page. Any feedback would be appreciated there. Thanks. Protonk (talk) 03:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Suggested reading on OR

If you want a good laugh you should read Ottava Rima's editing philosophy page (previously his "Mentorship guidelines"). It begins: "Below is a list of guidelines that I have committed myself towards" including:

• In order to avoid WP:CIVIL problems and to work on WP:Consensus, I shall seek to avoid conflict whenever possible. Instead of judging others, I should focus on issues... should seek to be a peacemaker, and not an instigator. I should keep my mouth shut and open up my ears more often.
• In order to avoid unnecessary conflicts and fights, I will explain my position shortly and not argue with others if they disagree. If they ask questions, I shall respond politely and not judge the questioner. I should seek to be inclusion and not exclusive, and consensus involves everyone and not a majority that overruns a minority.
• In order to stay neutral and refrain from committing personal attacks, I shall speak politely, not judge other people's words harshly, assume good faith, and believe that everyone can and wants to contribute to a discussion.

Maybe you should add some comments there as he invites you to do. IIRC Ottava evaded a community ban last year by agreeing to be put under mentorship. Once the mentorship period expired, he was back to his old ways. He now thinks he has carte blanche to insult any user who contradicts him in any way. This guy will never admit he is wrong on any topic ever. His friends on Wikipedia will try to prevent any ban. --Folantin (talk) 08:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

(I must apologise for inadvertently bringing him to the page. He has a long-standing grudge against me. I try to avoid him as much as possible but unfortunately I edited a page on his watchlist which happened to mention Persia. As you can see, he knows nothing about the history of Iran). --Folantin (talk) 09:06, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Folantin, I've had that page watchlisted for a very long time. You didn't bring anything. If anything, you came to the page simply because I pointed out that according to it you were 100% wrong so you decided to edit it out of existence. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:57, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

MoS

this series of edits goes against the MoS. The MoS is clear - we use only last names (after first use of full name) and we keep the same use of names throughout. MoS requires "Cambridge" and only "Cambridge". Ottava Rima (talk) 17:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Fraid I can back that up, even though it's technically incorrect. We do things the wrong way here, but any attempts to change that have failed. Good example: Lord Denning is at Alfred Denning, Baron Denning rather than something along the lines of Alfred Baron Denning of Whitchurch in the county of Hampshire. Gets my goat (although it was previously at Tom Denning, Baron Denning. Eugh.). Ironholds (talk) 18:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea about what MoS says, but if that is what it says, it is utterly incorrect about actual Wikipedia usage. We do not call Lord Palmerston "Temple," we do not call the Duke of Marlborough "Churchill" after 1689, we do not call the Duke of Newcastle "Pelham-Holles," we don't call Lord Castlereagh "Stewart." This simply isn't how any wikipedia article on a peer has ever been written. john k (talk) 18:10, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

At this, you should consider that such articles were mostly started in the early years of Wikipedia, when MoS and NPOV were rather poorly developed, and that their creators are/were generally the same people. ~~ Phoe _talk ~~ 21:44, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

You claimed: "See for instance the featured article John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough, which referst to its subject as "Churchill" before 1689 and "Marlborough" thereafter."

Your actions instead did: this - "Cambridge was born" to "Alexander was born". You took a last name and turned it into a first name. Your own example uses a last name. Thus, you don't even follow your own example. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Anglicanism on List of Christian Denominations

Can I suggest that it is abusive to reopen a discussion in the confidence that the consensus is unlikely to change, and to claim while advocating such a change, that you aren't going to advocate it? If you really don't want to advocate it, I would ask you to delete the comment; if you do want to advocate it, then you can again force the discussion, as you seem to want. However, it is entirely unclear just what your motive is. Can you please make it clear, rather than lobbing a grenade in and ducking away? Tb (talk) 07:04, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposal

User:Ottava_Rima/Persian_Empire - my condensing is half way done. I have not put up paragraphs for the lead (4), paragraphs for the term (2), paragraphs for the imperial system/explaining "shah" and the rest (2). Over all, it should be about 50k after those are added in and the next sections condensed. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

The last two sections of your history look like what I would propose for the last two sections of my own. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Attorney General for England and Wales

I've significantly rewritten this article, which I note you prepared the list of holders for. I've moved the list to a separate article for size reasons, and will probably turn it into a Featured List, but I can't find sources for many of the early office holders. Where did you find that list? Ironholds (talk) 22:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Brilliant, thanks. Haydn is unfortunately notoriously inaccurate, in regards to early dates and names, although he provides a good general guide to an office. If you don't mind I'm going to remove the early ones that I can't find any other reference to, at least until a copy of Haydn can be picked up. I've got an original at university, actually, which will be accessible in a few weeks. Thanks, Ironholds (talk) 11:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

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Rita Jenrette sourcing issues and claimed titles

I submit that Wikipedia does not always accord people the titles they claim, as with the members of this category [2]. My review of related Wikipedia articles dealing with pretenders led me to the language I used in the article, which I think is more consistent with Wikipedia's general practices than the less specific version (note the articles I cite on the talk page). Part of the problem with this article comes from the fact that Jenrette and her friends have repeatedly attempted to add exaggerated claims to the article; Jenrette herself at one point characterized herself as a "celebrity centerfold" in Playboy, even though there's no such thing, and recently has added claims about her career as a realtor that contradict all the available news reports and the public record. If her new husband actually is who she describes him as being, there ought to be a truckload of reliable sources, but so far all that have been cited are his own website and a self-published genealogy page. (Maybe I wouldn't take such a hard line if Jenrette and her partisans weren't so quick to fling insults rather than engage in reasonable dialogue about sources.) Hullaballoo, Lord Wolfowitz (talk) 04:10, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

universities & nationalism

John, if you'd have some time, please look at http://books.google.cz/books?id=VsFjlKKWn6EC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=&f=false

it shows very nicely why there is not possible to say Charles University is either German or Bohemian or Czech or whatever else. Hope this helps to understand. Please refer to page6 & page214 Ibrahimibnjakob (talk) 11:08, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi John, I've been watching...I don't get the point of that section either. I'll take another look. Adam Bishop (talk) 15:35, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

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Talkpage of 'Parthian Empire'

Hy there, first of all I want to thank you for moving the article towards its proper name Parthian Empire. I think that the case was quite evident from the start. However you have forgotten the article's talkpage (which remains at Talk:Arsacid Empire). Could you move it towards Talk:Parthian Empire asap? Thanks Flamarande (talk) 14:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Another thing that is bothering me. I was intrigued by the name "Arsacid Empire" so I took a look around. I remembered an ancient empire (a major power of the east) which invaded ancient Greece, won (but also "lost") the battle of Thermopylae and after some centuries was invaded and conquered by Alexander the Great. What was it called again? Persian Empire (as in Persian wars)?

English is not my mother language but I do know what 'common name' means. It means use the names taught in school, written in books, and shown in the History Channel. 'Achaemenid Empire' is not the common name, 'Persian Empire' is the common and even famous name of this nation.

Should I follow the previous procedure (propose a move on the article's talkpage as I did with the Parthian Empire, wait for the opinion and votes of other users, etc) or is there some procedure to bring this issue to the attention of "higher" authorities? Flamarande (talk) 14:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC) PS: I find this issue very troubling and I'm sorry for being blunt and honest but: what the hell is going on in Wikipedia?

The talkpage, don't forget the talkpage, please. Flamarande (talk) 15:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

One simply can't argue against tireless preachers. I stated my argument (simple common use) at Talk:Persian Empire. As far I can judge this matter the 'other side' defends more or less that "the name 'Persian Empire' can possibly be used by a handful of nations and therefore should not exist as a seperate article" (conviently it's a redirect towards Achaemenid Empire - if the other side were true to their arguments it would have to lead to a disimbigation page).

The fact and arguement that in common use 'Persian Empire' clearly applies to a single state was simply avoided again and again to a frightening degree. I placed a proper move request at the Achaemenid Empire's talkpage and I believe that I have done my duty already. Flamarande (talk) 19:39, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

(Sigh) I believe that common use (and common sense) is going to lose this case. Noone is putting in question that 'Persian Empire' is the common name for that state (besides Ottava but IMHO he is clearly a fool, a chameleon, and a lawyer). They are just avoiding the issue completly and defending that 'Achaemenid Empire' is a more precise name which will avoid any possibility of confusion. One only has to ignore that the average reader probably never heard that name at all (as all English mass media is quite happy in using 'Persian Empire').

I have no doubts whatsoever that the veredict will be a 'No consensus' ruling. So be it; Wikipedia will be the loser in the end but it isn't our fault. A likely side-effect is that no article with the title 'Persian Empire' will be created. A 'listing of all the historical states' is utter nonsense as the common use of that name designates a single state.

I managed to rescue 'Parthian Empire' but failed to do likewise with the 'Persian Empire'. We will have to lick our wounds, keep a careful watch over the articles, and hope that an increasing number of ppl start to question the name issue. It will probably take a couple years but the Persian Empire will rise again :). Flamarande (talk) 11:45, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

"ref name"

Hi John, I see you're still fighting the good fight on the Byzantine Empire article...whenever I get bogged down in something like that I remind myself that even real-world academia is full of pointless black holes. Oh well. I was wondering if you had ever come across "ref name" template, and what you thought of it...I have been ignoring it for years but these recent edits pushed me over the edge. Are there actual real referencing systems like that, or is this one of those things made up for Wikipedia? This seems totally bizarre to me. Adam Bishop (talk) 03:05, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I don't know either, other than removing them whenever I see them, but someone will just add them back, I'm sure. Oh well. Adam Bishop (talk) 07:45, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

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Hello John! You are cordially invited to my user page for a little visit if you would like to know my basic ideas and opinions about when to use English (pre-1900) and when not to (post-1900). I think our stances might actually coincide pretty well. It feels important to me that we understand each other, at least, though we may agree to disagree at times. Sincerely, SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:00, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

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Mr. President

Hello, President Kennedy. I was editing an article about a sports star when another editor informed me that listing the baby's name was in violation of Wikipedia policy, WP:BLPNAME. I was shocked because I did not know of this policy.

I looked at Family of Barack Obama. BLPNAME says that non-notable children must not be named. President Obama's children have been noted as non-notable in their AFD. There are 2 choices that follow policy:

1. Declare the children as notable.

2. Declare they are not notable and remove their names. So the wording might read "President Obama and the First Lady have two children, XXXXX and XXXXXX.

I don't care which. However, violating policy is wrong. With all the press about them, #1 might be the logical choice but, again, I don't care.

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Scope of British government pages

I created Conservative Government 1979-1997, spanning both Thatcher and Major, which is too big. Tryde broke that up by general election (it appears) at 1983, 1987, 1990 and 1992. List of British governments divides it into 1979-1990 and 1990-1997, both of which redirect to my first page, which I've just proposed for deletion. What, in your opinion, are the appropriate points of division? Choess (talk) 17:55, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

The current series is split at the Thatcher resignation as well as at elections. Looking at the precedents on List of British governments, I'm inclined to lump them back into 1979-1990 and 1990-1997, but I'd be grateful for a second opinion. Choess (talk) 18:23, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

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Evangelical Church in Germany

I'm not sure you noticed but there is again a discussion going on whether evangelische kirche in deutschland should be translated or not. I'm a little bit fed up to be honest. another user changed the name of the ekd article and all its member churches. they all appear under the german name now. he did that without giving any reason, calling it bald, but wants now justification for undoing his move (see Evangelical Church in Central Germany). first he said that evangelical should be translated as protestant and sold the german form of the word as a kind of compromise/solution. Now he and an other user say kirche or landeskirche are "concepts" that can't be translated. I think you wre right to point out that several churches in the English speaking world are called the same way. maybe you want to have a look at the discussion? --Mk4711 (talk) 20:46, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't know wikipedia rules that well. In the case of the North Elbian Evangelical Lutheran Church: Would it be okay to move it back to the English name? There isn't much of a discussion there. Or would that be an edit war? I've already undone the move and then it was moved again by motroos. Probably it's better to find a general solution on the EKD discussion page. I just don't really understand what we are waiting for. I guess you know because you are an administrator (I think you are). --Mk4711 (talk) 15:53, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Now another user has taken the initiative... You are right. This really is madness. Maybe I should move United States of America to Estados Unidos, without any prior discussion of course. I'll call that "bold" as motroos did... And then I'll ignore all the reasons for moving it back. That's apparently the way it works. --Mk4711 (talk) 17:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

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WP:NPOV

For a great many years there has been an almost-loophole at this policy "cite facts, including facts about opinions, but not opinions themselves." I have always interpreted this to mean that a verifiable account of someone's view is encyclopedic. However, some people read this to mean that Wikipedia should emphasize facts, not opinions. And opinions = views. I think this line of thinking leads to a contradiction in the policy (that we must include all significant views from reliable sources) and undermines the dictum, "verifiability, not truth."

The problem is, there is a user, user:Zaereth who states excplicitly on his user page that he is opposed to our NPOV policy and wishes to change it. And he has been trying to edit the "loophole" I mention above to mean that we should strive to present the truth. He has teamed up with user:QuackGuru who is claiming that there is another policy called "state facts accurately" which he believes means that certain claims do not have to be attributable to any source (since they are "facts" - i.e. a total subversion of "verifiability, not truth."

Currently, the discussion is happening on the bottommost sections of the talk page (there was a convenience break). I think the discussion really could benefit from the input of experienced editors with real institutional memory and I am asking that you consider participating in this discussion until this issue at NPOV is satisfactorally resolved. Thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 13:01, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Slrubenstein, please strike all your false statements you made against me. QuackGuru (talk) 16:45, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

QuackGuru, please don't use my talk page to communicate with people who are not me. john k (talk) 17:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough,thanks for contacting me, Slrubenstein | Talk 22:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

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I am reposting here a response to your comments on the James VI article: George I was not a "King" of Hanover, merely an Elector, the Kingdom of Hanover was not created until 1814 . And to your earlier point regarding Edward VII as Prince of Wales, that title is an honorific of the heir to the throne of England, much as the title Duke of Rothesay is to the Monarch of Scotland, neither are titles of sovreignty, as indeed neither was the position of Elector in the Holy Roman Empire, a vassal to the Emperor. As to your insinuation that Scotland was a marginal backwater during this time is just another example of the sort of faux history perpetuated by various English commentators, and is a racist slur that the Scots have endured ever since the union of the crowns. Furthermore, King Jamie did return to Scotland in 1617 in an attempt to harmonise the structures of the two very different churches within his realms, he also continued to speak in Braid Scots, . As to your point that as King of Scotland, King James had no influence in Europe, why was he given the hand of Anne of Denmark, daughter of one of the arguably most powerful monarchs in Northern Europe, Frederick II of Denmark? And to cap it off, a quick google search returned 118,000 for "James VI of Scotland", yet just 92,900 for "James I of England". Brendandh (talk) 17:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC) Brendandh (talk) 07:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Vichy France

Bonjour John K:

In the discussion[4] concerning the inclusion of "Israël" (!!!!!) in the territorial "possessions" of France or under its protection or whatever in WWII, I suggested removing the list of such which was added to the infobox this past May 29[5], and which is rather confusing as things were not that clear cut in the period 1940-1944, and were changing, with, for instance, governors of certain territories changing side or being replaced or, as the case was with Japanese-occupied Indochina which is difficult to put into the category of Possessions constituents, with, to boot, listed in their modern names, which makes the list totally incompréhensible for that period.

Hoping this long sentence makes sense to you, as this is the best I can do being in a rush in the middle of a heatwave and not taking the time to re-read my prose.

Cordialement, --Frania W. (talk) 13:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

AUSTRIA-HUNGARY IN WW1

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Alternate Succession.....

Sorry. I didn't mean to muddy the waters. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:45, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

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RFC on cities proper list

We definitely need to have more people involved in the discussion so we can hash out how best to define the list. A formal RFC is probably not needed at this time. The better course of action may be to not rebut every point as this seems to just generate endless walls of text. --Polaron | Talk 13:43, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

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Spanish Empire map

Hello. I have seen your irks about the Spanish empire map, and I would like to comment you some issues:

• Firstly, the sovereignty is applied rather to the capability to control a territory that to subduing peoples, hereby the sovereignty can apply also to unpopulated areas.

In commons here, I put the references to depict the map. I can assure that there has no been ridiculous double standard to shape the map, and I have tried to do the map the most suitable to the references, following the policies of wikipedia. Maybe you should have read these references before suggesting that the map is depicted arbitrarily.

• The problem of locating the Spanish presence in North America was a motive of uncertainty a year and a half ago, when I depicted the map. If the map had to be based on references, I could not invent where it seemed that the Spanish could have controlled the territory in my particular criterion, but I had to find references, well then, I found it with the Treaty of Adams-Onís.

• In the south it was clear that the Spanish established a defensive line in order that the Mapuche did not enter into the territory of the viceroyalty. In fact in Chile there is a region that is called La Frontera.

The accomplishment of the map is not a perfect work, there are areas that they can lead to perplexity but, what am I going to do if the references lead to that point?, which I am not going to do is to invent what I come into my mind. Trasamundo (talk) 02:06, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Monarchial titles for articles

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J. Warren Keifer

You asked for evidence here. If I understood your question correctly, I think I found the eveidence and responded there. Mojoworker (talk) 20:41, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Hesse-Kassel

If others don't read into it deeply (as I intially didn't), they may get the impression that you prefer Hesse-Cassel. GoodDay (talk) 15:08, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Responded at my talkpage. It easier when the discussion is in one spot. GoodDay (talk) 15:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I noticed the following articles up for a move under your proposal:

• Landgrave Charles of Hesse-Kassel
• Landgrave Frederick of Hesse-Kassel
• Landgravine Caroline Amalie of Hesse-Kassel
• Landgravine Charlotte of Hesse-Kassel
• Landgravine Marie Louise Charlotte of Hesse-Kassel
• Landgravine Marie Louise of Hesse-Kassel
• Landgrave William of Hesse-Kassel

I don't understand why these articles are titled this way to begin with. I know nothing of the landgraves of Hesse-Kassel, but the Wikipedian nomenclature is highly confusing to me. For example, nothing in William's article indicates he even was a landgrave, yet there were landgraves of Hesse-Kassel named William. So why is the article Landgrave William of Hesse-Kassel about somebody who was not a landgrave of Hesse-Kassel? Even when this is cleared up for me, I still think the articles should likely be moved. If I knew where they should be I'd have proposed moves already. Srnec (talk) 20:23, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

NCROY

The supports and opposes seem to be running roughly even for your current proposal. I prefer the "King of X" formulation, and would have been there with you had I not been on a WikiBreak. Given that progress seems impossible while the current guideline is in place, what do you think of trying to get rid of the convention altogether if yet another reasonable alternative is nixed? -Rrius (talk) 18:54, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

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Opposition Party (US), type I and type II

I am new to editing, with an interest in 19th Century US and Southern history. Stumbling onto the Opposition Party, US article, I looked more deeply into Martis, then crafted my edit for the page. So, I get your objection to the earlier listing, and I want to do something about it.

A casual reader of Martis in his Introduction essay can easily miss the 'Opposition' party in the major party discussion and the 'Opposition' party in the Third Party section. They are not cross referenced to 'disambiguate', as they say in the wiki world.

Your essential point is precisely correct. Everything political was coming apart. Even the churches were splitting over slavery in various theological degrees. That's not as intellectually elaborate as European theological strands, but we do what we can with what we got.

I will want to revisit this subject again, as I stumble onto or re-read passages in monographs. Lots of confusion in the literature since scholars seem to lucky dip into Congress only as a sidebar to their main thesis...whereas, in my view,Congress, established in Article I of the Constitution, is 'the first branch' (book title). So Martis is my strarting point...Would it make sense to elaborate the article with mini-bio 'vignettes'? (Pardon my French.)

Do you still think the amended article should be deleted?

In my own little family, I blew up a couple of Thanksgiving dinners as a college kid by asserting there were EVER any pro-unionists at any time in any numbers south of the Mason-Dixon line, ever, well, white people. So I may be misunderstanding amidst forty-year-old flash-backs. But I gotta say, your "There was not and never has been such a thing as the "Opposition Party" as a formal entity in the United States" sort of has the same feel. "The Lost Cause", Sir, and all of that.

It's hard to prove a negative, and it turns out that there WAS a "last gasp" (Martis) effort among former Whig and American candidates in the South to organize a political party in opposition to the southern Democrats, without being painted as 'disloyal' to the South', lovers of blacks, abolitionists and promoters of servile (ala Haiti) insurrectiton. And your idea of making a more broadly conceived article of Southern opposition MOVEMENTS could even be expanded to the 'Cooperationists' opposing the Secessionists in 1860-1861. William Freehling documents that some of these really hoped that a delay would lead to reconciliation.

Anyway, since I think most of your points were correct, Could you return to the site and eyeball dates and narrative and such? TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 16:38, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Grand Duchy of Tuscany

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Don't think I have time for such things. john k (talk) 00:24, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

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Aggressive tone

I find you aggressive, belligerent and antagonistic toward me, way outside of what should be in a normal debate about issues. That may be all my fault or all yours or a combination, we'll never know, I guess. I have really tried not to act that way toward you but to stick facts, as I interpret what sources say, sources that to me are very reliable and clear. But I find the debate climate repulsive and would like to stop. May I cordially suggest we avoid each other from now on? SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:55, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Just to clarify

Would it be much of a hassle if you would add in whether you "Support" or "Oppose" the proposal to remove "philosophies like left-libertarianism" from the article. This is a very picky bunch that might not understand your intention, if it's not there in black-and-white. Thanks, if you can. BigK HeX (talk) 20:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

John, I just left a clarifying comment over there addressed to you. Also, to illustrate what I mean, consider that the term "Christianity", like libertarianism, is also used broadly in English as well as specifically. In the broad sense, it includes Mormonism, but it is never used to specifically refer to Mormonism. That's why Mormonism is not included in the article at Christianity.

For the same reason, because libertarianism, though when used in the broad/general sense it includes "libertarianism socialism" and "left liberalism", the term libertarianism is never used to specifically refer to those ideologies, just like Christianity is never used to refer specifically to Mormonism.

Even though Mormonism is a variant of Christianity (using Christianity in a broad sense), it is not included in the article on the specific religion of Christianity. And, so, even though libertarian socialism is a variant of libertarianism (using libertarianism in the a broad sense), it too should not be included in the article on the specific ideology of libertarianism.

Agree or disagree, I hope that helps you better understand the point of the proposal. Thanks. --Born2cycle (talk) 21:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand. In the first place, people certainly do use "Christianity" to refer to Mormonism, although perhaps less than they would for any other Christian denomination. In the second place, Mormonism is mentioned in the article on Christianity - there is a specific discussion of Mormon (and Jehovah's Witness) christology, for example. john k (talk) 21:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

No, people do not use Christianity to refer specifically to Mormonism. Mormonism is used to refer to Mormonism specifically. Christianianity is used to refer, much more generally, to all religions that worship Jesus Christ.

I don't see any references to Mormonism in that article. --Born2cycle (talk) 21:27, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you even mean here. Try "Latter Day Saints" for discussions of Mormon beliefs in Christianity. john k (talk) 21:55, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh! Missed that. I guess I better find a better example...

Okay, how about... Cat. Now, that term, in the broad sense, refers to the entire feline family, but the editors of that article chose to limit the scope of that article to be about just the domestic cat, presumably because they determined that the the domestic cat is the primary topic for "cat". I'm suggesting that "right-libertarianism", rather than the "libertarianism in the broad sense that includes libertarian socialism", is the primary topic for libertarianism. Again, if you google "libertarianism" in any context (general, UK, AUS, books, scholar, whatever) you will find that to be rather obvious. --Born2cycle (talk) 23:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC) --Born2cycle (talk) 23:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, that makes more sense. I'm not sure why an article called Libertarianism can't deal with both meanings, though. I'm also unclear how you've determined that right-libertarianism is the primary topic. Let me add - many references to libertarianism are going to potentially apply equally to the broader and the narrower meaning. john k (talk) 23:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Do you agree that narrowing the scope of Cat to the domestic cat is not violation of WP:NPOV or WP:DUE, and that, by the same reasoning, narrowing the scope of Libertarianism to "right-libertarianism" is not a violation of either also? That's one of the points in contention.

If I could be convinced that your last sentence is true then I would withdraw my proposal. Will you agree to support my proposal if I could convince you it is false? To that end, please google "libertarianism" and let me know what percentage of uses of the term (which have to do with what it means - obviously a reference in a meaning-independent context like "List of words that being with LIBERT" would not count) in secondary sources (which tell us much more about actual usage than primary sources like encyclopedias) in the first few pages potentially apply equally to both the broader and narrower meaning? Let me know at least one (preferably a few) that you think qualifies, and I'll take a look. Thanks. --Born2cycle (talk) 23:50, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

The domestic cat is obviously the primary topic. I do not think it is clear that the one meaning of libertarianism is the primary topic, and I don't think a google search is a good way to determine such things. We should be looking at reliable sources, not raw google results. john k (talk) 00:59, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. We seem to agree that the issue ultimately rests on whether the political ideology sometimes referred to as right-libertarianism (but usually as just libertarianism, as in David Boaz' book) is the primary topic for "libertarianism". Yes?

But, if not google results in say books and scholar, exactly how do you look at reliable sources to determine which use of the term is "much more likely than any other, and more likely than all the others combined – to be the subject being sought when a reader enters that term in the Search box"? --Born2cycle (talk) 17:13, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

FYI: I mentioned this discussion in an ANI that was filed against me here. --Born2cycle (talk) 16:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:SCOPE

Do you think it's worth trying to get consensus to bump WP:SCOPE up to a guideline via RfC? --Born2cycle (talk) 00:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations on your PhD!

Congratulations, Dr. John K! Just want to point out the good news comes on the birthday of Gandhi. Zuggernaut (talk) 05:47, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to chime in on that one. Well done! SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:04, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. john k (talk) 15:48, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Royal names

As promised, letting you know about my proposal to retitle Victoria of the United Kingdom (now at that page's talk). Also, what do you think about Stephen - should it be at Stephen, King of England (as recently moved unilaterally), given that we're told his true title was "King of the English"?--Kotniski (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I think Stephen, King of England is fine. "King of the Peoples" forms should be used for modern monarchs that consciously adopted such forms (like "King of the Belgians," "King of the French," "King of the Hellenes") but not, I think, for medieval monarchs based entirely on Latin forms not usually translated literally into English. john k (talk) 19:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I tend to agree with that.--Kotniski (talk) 06:16, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Junto and Barons

I am in the process of writing an article on the Army Plots of 1641, in that year the cabal that of which Pym was a prominent member was known as the Junto (and according to the OED is the origin of the term in English). I noticed that you had made a comment way back in 2006 on Talk:Junto. This is a heads up that I am going to propose some rearrangement.

It would also help me if you would express an opinion about the use of Baron and Lord in the text of an article Talk:Walter Hungerford, 1st Baron Hungerford of Heytesbury as a knowledgeable third opinion would hopefully have close the style issue. -- PBS (talk) 22:56, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Continuity from Constantine VI to Charlemagne ... dubious

Why do you think that? I'm curious ... Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 00:06, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Ayyubid dynasty

User:Karimoglu has changed referenced information concerning the Ayyubid dynasty. Changing Kurdish to Turkish despite two requests[7][8] to use the talk page and ignoring evidence I posted on User:Karimoglu's talk page.[9] Can you inform this individual how to edit properly? Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Kingdom of Sardinia

I was wondering what you think about a three-article solution to the Sardinia problem: a survey article at Kingdom of Sardinia, an article on the Savoyard state at Piedmont–Sardinia, and an article on the medieval Papal creation at Kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica? I find the current article highly misleading. I was working on a lead at User:Srnec/Kingdom of Sardinia and was wondering what you think of it. (The bottom paragraph is a quotation of a GooglBook source.) If you have the time. Srnec (talk) 02:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

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Suggestions for restructuring vs. attack

Hello. On an article you have edited in the past Alternate_successions_of_the_English_crown and editor User:Hrafn appears to have more than just an interest in improving the content of Wikipedia at heart. He has (at least) TWICE made personal attacks http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAlternate_successions_of_the_English_crown&action=historysubmit&diff=399129636&oldid=399129494

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAlternate_successions_of_the_English_crown&action=historysubmit&diff=399132122&oldid=399130453

Admittedly, I also made a personal attack, accusing him of being more emotionally interested than encyclopedically interested, for which I was warned. There does not appear to be any warning directed towards User:Hrafn. His list of tags on the article itself DOES appear to have stepped beyond reasonable bounds(eight in all):

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alternate_successions_of_the_English_crown_&action=historysubmit&diff=39913106&oldid=395132934. 41.133.47.252 (talk) 13:22, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

AfD

I went ahead and nominated this article for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alternate successions of the English crown. Kitfoxxe (talk) 13:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

you're invited

as a historian with an interest in European nobility, I invited you to take a look at these two articles, and the related information in the AfD debates. Both articles are related, need to be improved, and might benefit from your insight and particularly your knowledge about historical sources.

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Francis_Martin_O'Donnell

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Vice_Great_Seneschal_of_Ireland

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Alternate successions of the English crown

In regards to this article, might I suggest reading what Leo van de Pas states here[10]. --Kansas Bear (talk) 06:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

What's your point, exactly? Do you think van de Pas is a reliable source? What are you arguing based on van de Pas? john k (talk) 15:01, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

As Leo points out, Edward did not ascend the throne due to his father being king of England. Instead he gained the throne through conquest. Making his legitimacy irrelevant and the article in question, based on a television program, pseudo genealogy. Leo also mentions William the Bastard(Conqueror) as an example that legitimacy is irrelevant when the throne is taken by force of arms. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:45, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't get the point. Edward claimed the throne by conquest and as the legitimate heir-general of Edward III. Whatever his own claims, at any rate, if his marriage was invalid, then Clarence's descendants were heir to both of his claims, regardless of his own legitimacy. Such claims are not "pseudo-genealogy," because Warwick was obviously viewed as an alternative claimant to the throne; his sister Matilda was eventually executed in part because of her own potential claim to the throne; and the Earl of Huntingdon was considered as a possible successor to Elizabeth I in 1560 because of his descent from Matilda. One can, of course, make arguments as to why their claims were not valid, but it's not true that the idea that they had such claims is post facto "pseudo-genealogy." And, of course, van de Pas himself admits that the genealogical trail from Huntingdon leads us eventually to Michael Hastings. I basically agree with you that the claim that Edward IV was illegitimate has no relevance to who the king was, and, indeed, except possibly for some toying with the idea during Richard III's reign, it was never a major consideration at the time, either. But regardless of that, Clarence's descendants were viewed as potential claimants to the throne for nearly a century after Clarence's own death, and the genealogical line from him to Hastings is, as I understand it, pretty air tight. To the extent that van de Pas is an expert of any kind, it is as a genealogist (I find his site to be mostly excellent for genealogy, but it's self-published, so probably not good enough for wikipedia), not an expert on 15th century legal theories about inheritance of the crown. His opinion holds no more weight than yours or mine. And van de Pas is far too absolute about this. Edward IV, as I said before, claimed the throne both by right of conquest and by virtue of his descent from Edward III; Henry VII claimed it by conquest, by virtue of his own descent from John of Gaunt, and, eventually, by virtue of his marriage to Edward IV's eldest daughter. If the Yorkist claim had vanished into thin air at Bosworth, why bother marrying Elizabeth at all? Why execute Warwick? It's no use talking about de jure claims; certainly it's no use arguing that the reigning monarch is also the de jure monarch. If there's political support for a claimant, the strength of their genealogical claim is irrelevant - arguing against it on legal grounds is pointless. On the other side, since 1066 every claimant to the English throne has had some genealogical basis for their claim - Robert Curthose, Maud, Arthur, Bolingbroke, Richard and Edward of York, Richmond, Simnel, Warbeck, the de la Poles, Jane Grey, Mary Stuart, and the Jacobite pretenders had claims of various strengths and genuineness, but their claims of royal descent were important to their claims to the throne. Pretending that such claims were not notable because one can make an argument for the legal claims of the de facto monarch is ridiculous - it's not our job to decide who the de jure monarch was. john k (talk) 16:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

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Elizabeth II

I share your concerns at that article. I regret having supported the last RM & have been having second thoughts about the article's intro & infobox. IMHO, atleast 1 of the 3 areas-in-question should display the United Kingdom on its own. There's too much downplaying of the UK, in that bio article. GoodDay (talk) 03:21, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Royal label origins

Hi John K, I’m creating a new article User:Stephen2nd/Royal Labels of England, and I’m seeking opinions/consensus on their origins. re There are a number of anomalies, such as the difference between a ‘blue’ and ‘white’ label, in reference to whether there is a difference between ‘Heir apparent &/or presumptive’ –and- ‘Prince of Wales.’ These anomalies stem from the label argent given to Thomas of Brotherton &c, as heir apparent to King Edward I. Was this the origin of a white label? Were Thomas and his descendants Princes of Wales (Mowbray was descended from the earls of Chester &c) ? Also, can you clarify the relationship between the arms of Mowbray as Thomas’s heir, with the arms of Richard II? Thanks for your time, knowledge and considerations. Can you please reply on the articles talk page. (NB: I've also asked GoodDay & OperaHat) Regards Steve. Stephen2nd (talk) 13:20, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't really know anything about heraldry, so I don't think I can help. I do think that your draft needs to be much clearer on what the subject of the article is - it took me a while to figure out what you were talking about. Also, sources. Thomer of Brotherton was never heir-apparent. He was heir-presumptive to his brother, Edward II, for a few years at the beginning of his reign. He was never prince of Wales, nor were his descendants. john k (talk) 15:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Most Interesting Man

I responded to you query (albeit slowly) with some ideas on the image. In general, I think it can/should be any of the ones where he's sitting at the table, making conversation and saying "I don't always..." or "Stay thirsty" Purplebackpack89 05:27, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Are you still planning on posting a new picture? Just wondering Purplebackpack89 20:37, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Moving Albert II of Germany

Please request for a move before you move Albert II of Germany; I've reverted it. Also you might want to bring up the other King of the Romans who are under "of Germany".--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 10:45, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Why do you prefer the current title? I moved it three months ago and nobody but you objected. Is it a totally procedural objection or do you prefer Albert II of Germany on substantive grounds? john k (talk) 17:38, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Time Person of the Year

Howdy JK. Good luck in trying to convince Mies that Elizabeth II's closer association with the UK (compared to the other Commonwealth realms) shouldn't be hidden (or IMHO censured). He's worked too long & hard across Wikipedia, to remove such things (regrettably, I supported such edits in the past) & he's not about to restore them. GoodDay (talk) 15:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I have no illusions on that front. I keep hoping that if I keep it alive, other, previously non-involved editors will join the discussion and agree with me. I see now that Miesianiacal is actually the same person as Gbambino (I should have realized this sooner, I guess), which means that this has been a heretofore successful one-man crusade for five years or so now. Sigh. What made you change your mind about this, btw? john k (talk) 16:08, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

One man crusade? You give me far too much credit. Please don't forget to share it amongst the other editors who've seen fit to put facts above personal biases, including, for a time, GoodDay (though, his opinion does shift on an almost regular basis). --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 16:16, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I've came to my senses. Royal weddings continue to be held in the UK. Elizabeth II continues to hang out in palaces at the UK. Her successor's coronation will be held in the UK. Due to her residency, the UK has no Governor General. Anyways, the Elizabeth II article, was my turning point. Along with the article's title being RM'd (which I now regret having supported), the 16 commonwealth realms has replaced the UK and 15... on both the intro & the infobox. I don't mind having British hidden on Canadian articles, Australian articles, New Zealand articles etc etc. But, I do mind it, when it's hidden from other areas. GoodDay (talk) 17:14, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I was very impressed by yours of 8.17 on 2nd January. And the response from "Miesianiacal" at 2.48 on the 3rd sounded suspiciously like the towel. Jolly well done. Opera hat (talk) 03:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Meilleurs vœux !

File:Tour eiffel feu artifice.jpg

Bonne Année 2011 ! --Frania W. (talk) 22:27, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Nailed it...

And made my favorites list. Well done. --Born2cycle (talk) 16:05, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

United States disambiguations

In one of those naming guideline discussions, you said: "I suspect you will be unable to find very many places that are unique within the United States, but ambiguous with places outside it". I went looking for placenames with "(United States)" in the title, and was unable to find any towns or cities (but didn't look very hard - it was mostly political parties and military units). I did, however, find St. John's College (United States), which led me to Saint John's College, St. John's High School, and Saint John's University (also Saint John's). A bit of a mish-mash of comma and parenthetical disambiguation there, and some other disambiguation variants as well. Is there a standard in this area or not, and if not, what would normally be done? Carcharoth (talk) 10:04, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

WP:NCGN

Initial indications are that neither Dohn Joe's idea for mediation nor my idea to identify broad principles is going to be accepted. As I look through the various options at WP:Dispute resolution, I don't see any choices left... besides the last resort. I've never done that, though in retrospect it makes sense since I know the similar TV episode naming disagreement was decided by arbitration a few years ago. Might be time to review how to go through all that, eh? Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution#Last_resort:_Arbitration. --Born2cycle (talk) 09:00, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

My understanding was that the arbitration committee is extremely, extremely reluctant to take up content disputes. john k (talk) 17:33, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Empire of Brazil FAC is now open

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How to title an article

In order to address the argument that without specific naming conventions article titling would be chaotic and unpredictable, I've attempted to describe the process of determining a title that clearly shows that usually specific naming conventions are not needed. I'm asking a few select individuals to look at it before I open it for general review at WT:TITLE.

If you could take a few minutes to review it and let me know what you think, I would really appreciate it. Do you think we could incorporate this or something like it into WP:TITLE? Thanks. Here is the link: User:Born2cycle/how2title. Please leave your comments on the talk page of that subpage, User talk:Born2cycle/how2title. --Born2cycle (talk) 21:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

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History of U.S. city naming

I've started another subpage, this one about the history of the U.S. city naming guidelines and conventions. It's still in very rough form, but I thought you might be interested in looking at what I have so far. The last thing I just added was a new section on the individual history of page move proposals and actual moves of certain especially volatile city articles. So far I've only done Chicago. I think Boston, Philadelphia, New York City should be covered, perhaps Los Angeles and San Francisco. Anything else? Anyway, check it out. Thanks. Comments/suggestions or even contributions would be much appreciated. User:Born2cycle/USNChistory --Born2cycle (talk) 06:59, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Note of appreciation for your comments at Talk:Elizabeth_II

Hey John,

Just wanted to say that I really appreciate your comments at the EII article. It seems so brazenly obvious to me that listing out countries as the current lead does is wrong headed. I couldn't agree more with your " Mentioning all sixteen realms is the violation of NPOV, because it violates due weight" comment.

I don't really understand the mindset of the opposition here. I figure they are either hyper-focused on legal nature of the monarch, or they want to WP:PEACOCK the article by making EII sound as if she reigns over the world. Either way, I'm a little disappointed by how the RfC is going.... Best, NickCT (talk) 06:13, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

In reply to your message -

I largely agree with all your points.

re "Some of these people, I think, basically don't know much about the issue and find Miesianiacal's arguments superficially convincing" - It's interesting to note that if you go through the user pages of some of the respondents who are calling for maintaining the current lead, you'll find that some (e.g. User:Night w, User:The C of E) seem to display pro-monarchist/nationalist sentiments. Depressingly, I think "some of these people" aren't so much convinced by his arguments as they might simply share his warped POV.

As a side-note; I had a good friend once who was a fervent monarchist. I found the mindset rather fascinating. It seemed so anachronistic and out-of-place, and I think, in a way, my pal knew this and relished in the fact. He took himself seriously, though no one else did.

If we care enough to pursue this, we should probably cease bemoaning the void between our opponents' ears, and turn instead to determining practical measures to work around them. NickCT (talk) 07:01, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

We are obviously not going to get reasoned behaviour at the article for a while. Do you think we should ask for it to be fully protected in the meantime John? Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 21:37, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

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Anglicization of Portuguese names

John, I saw a message of yours written a long time a go at John VI of Portugal complaining about the name being spelled in English, not in Portuguese. Could you tell me what happened? If there was a discussion about it? Regards, --Lecen (talk) 12:53, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Baron Latimer/Latymer

Like you -- I was looking at the two pages.. Baron Latimer and Latymer -- Exactly what is the difference between Latymer and Latimer? If they are the same, why are there two different pages? Also, that would out these people whom are being claimed as the current de jure Barons as the barony remained in abeyance after the 4th Baron Latimer (John Neville) had no male heirs, until 1913, when the abeyance was terminated in favour of Francis Money-Coutts, who became the fifth Baron. He was the only son of the Reverend James Drummond Money and his wife Clara Maria Burdett, fourth daughter of Sir Francis Burdett, 5th Baronet, and claimed the peerage as a descendant of Frances, eldest daughter of the Hon. Lucy Neville, third daughter of the fourth Baron Latymer/Latimer. As of 2009, the title is held by the fifth Baron's great-great-grandson, the 9th Baron who succeeded his father in 2003. Any help would be greatly appreciated in this matter... -- Lady Meg (talk) 06:41, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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Style question about "The Hon."

I realize that this question probably belongs at MOS:HONORIFIC but I couldn't find anything relevant there, and I looked in the archives there and found enormous controversial discussions about such things and don't want to ignite a debate. I just want to know the correct way to present the honorific properly in the first line (not the title) of the article. (The style guide says not to use them "inline" but it is clearly the custom to present all titles, etc. once at the very beginning of the article.) So: which of these should the younger son of an earl be at the beginning of the article?

• Rear-Admiral The Hon. John Smith
• Rear-Admiral The Hon. John Smith
• Rear-Admiral The Hon. John Smith
• Rear-Admiral The Honourable John Smith
• Rear-Admiral The Honourable John Smith
• Rear-Admiral The Honourable John Smith

I assume that there should be links for Rear-Admiral (or should that be "Rear-Adm."?) and The Honourable, and all subsequent usage should be "Smith." Thanks for your help! Laura1822 (talk) 21:15, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I'd say only the name should be bolded, but I'm not sure. john k (talk) 21:49, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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Hugh Cairns, 1st Earl Cairns

Various sources (Cracroft's Peerage, 1911 Britannica, Men-at-the-Bar, etc) give his year of birth as 1819, not 1810. I have edited the article. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 06:47, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry that I reverted your edit of the Treaty of Versailles

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Latin American Monarchies task force

Hi, John. I sent a similar message to User:Domino theory but I have doubt he will answer. I would like to create a task force devoted to 19th century Latin American monarchies. How could I do that? Thanks, --Lecen (talk) 20:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

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British Chief Ministers, from 1660

Chief Ministers of England (1660–1721)
This stems from a suggestion which you made here five years ago. What do you think? It largely follows your list, though not entirely. Unfortunately I don't have any sources for it. BartBassist (talk) 23:14, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm gradually adding notes to it, to explain my rationale. I will either remove or notate Belasyse and Pembroke. I think I have made it clear that Townshend was basically running things 1714–16, and that Halifax, Carlisle and Walpole were titular First Lords only; nonetheless, it seems clear that by this point the First Lord was considered the titular figurehead of the administration (as was the case for Wilmington in 1742, who was dominated by Carteret but is nonetheless considered titular leader), so I won't replace these three with Townshend. BartBassist (talk) 22:55, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

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Lord Goderich

I've lately been editing F. J. Robinson, 1st Viscount Goderich, of which I see you are the principal editor. If you cared to give the article as it now stands the once-over and amend ad lib it would be esteemed a favour. Best wishes. Tim riley (talk) 20:12, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

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I see you are a rather experienced editor. Believe me, I don't like prodding articles that were created by editors who have been around for a long time and have a huge amount of experience. Maybe the chap is notable; I just can't see it the way the article is written. Schwede66 20:43, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

The bio you cite at the afd should be mentioned or used as a ref in the article, or some other referencing should be used. The article in it's present state is decently done from a style standpoint, but needs refs. INeverCry 22:57, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

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Senators

You brought up a good point about the order of Senators. Therefore, I've changed a couple articles to list the Senators explicitly by seniority. —GoldRingChip 15:26, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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Hello John K!

You have been recommended for me by another user, who think that you may be able and willing to answer some questions of historical facts that I have, and as you write on your presentation that you are willing to answer questions, I hope that you would be willing to do so for mine.

My questions are as follows.

Question 1: If a married nobleman would like to acknowledge his illegitimate children in 1730s France, would that give them any rights? By acknowledging, I do not mean legitimizing them: I rather mean just admitting that he is their father. Louis XIV officially recognized his children with Madame de Montespan, and it seems that they were some paperwork. So my question is: was there some sort of legal procedure for a man who wished to recognize his fatherhood, any paperwork of some kind? Or was the acknowledgement simply an informal affair with no other consequences than informal social ones?

Question 2: The 1730s was a period when the law was different for nobles and non-nobles. Did an acknowledged illegitimate child have more rights, if both of the parents were noble?

Question 3: During this period, adult unmarried women were placed under guardianship under nearest male relative, I believe? Who was the legal guardian of an acknowledged illegitimate daughter, after the death of her parents? Was it the legitimate son of her father, her half brother?

I hope that you are able to answer my questions, or perhaps give me an educated guess? Thank you in advance! --Aciram (talk) 18:18, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply and your tip. When it comes to the third question, though, I suspect that the law would not differ so much between times or countries in Europa before the mid 19th century? How was the law in general about the guardianship over illegitimate daughters in Europe? Had they no guardians?

As it seem that your speciality is the 19th century, perhaps I can take the opportunity to ask a different question; about 19th-century Russia. I assume unmarried adult women were placed under guardianship there regardless of age, as they seem to have been in all countries in Europe with the exception of Great Britain. The European countries reformed their laws and removed the guardianship of unmarried women in the second half of the 19th-century. Was it the same for Russia? When did Russia abolish the guardianship of unmarried women? I assume in cirka 1900? --Aciram (talk) 19:02, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I understand. Thank you for your reply. If you know of any wikipedians with this expertise, please feel free to give me a tip! Greetings--Aciram (talk) 00:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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Care to?

So, you have changed the names of roughly 15 of my close ancestors. Good, I'll be returning them to the correct form when I can be bothered to do so. Your assertion that double-barrelled names did not exist in the 17th c. is ludicrous, although fair enough that they seem to have been formalised in the 19th c. but only after long common usage in Great Britain and Ireland, never mind the rest of Europe. There's one other thing also, that WP in general fails to grasp, is that Peers do not 'have' a surname, rather they are known by the name of their fief, and it is their kin who possess the surname thereunto. Brendandh (talk) 22:03, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Everyone on Talk:Duke of Hamilton appears to have disagreed with you about this. My moves have made these article titles in compliance with Complete Peerage, with Cracroft's Peerage, and for the most part with the ODNB. You have provided no sources, except the names on your ancestors' portraits at Lennoxlove House, to back your point. And please provide an example of another supposed double barreled surname in the 17th century. I have not seen a single source which says that William Douglas changed his surname to "Douglas-Hamilton," rather than to just "Hamilton." So far as I can tell, all the best sources show every duke through the 11th with the surname of simply "Hamilton." There seems to be some dispute about the 12th duke - his sister seems to have definitely remained Hamilton, his brother to have become Douglas-Hamilton, and sources disagree on him. All dukes since the 13th have certainly been "Douglas-Hamilton." If you have reliable sources to add to this, please do, but you can't revert these moves on the grounds that you know best without having any sources supporting your case. 130.91.119.121 (talk) 23:01, 30 August 2012 (UTC) [ETA - that was me of course. john k (talk) 23:02, 30 August 2012 (UTC)]

If you need a Scottish example to show that peers do have a surname, in 1836 the Duke of Richmond and Lennox was granted "His Majesty's royal licence and authority that he and his issue may, in testimony of respect for the noble family of Gordon, henceforth assume, take, and use the surname of Gordon, in addition to, and before his and their own family surname of Lennox" (my emphasis). "No. 19409". The London Gazette. 12 August 1836. Opera hat (talk) 00:30, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, there's plenty of examples like that. Peers certainly do have surnames, even if they don't normally use them. 98.111.161.5 (talk) 03:10, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

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Dear John K

I noticed the improvements you have made to wiki pages for various military figures. I wonder If you could help improve the following wiki article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Palmes

I am new to this, so have little experience.

Would be so grateful for your expertise.

Cheers,

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Peter II of Yugoslavia recognised as 'King of Serbia' by the Nedic government?

Hello John K;

I noticed on the page "State Leaders in 1942"; that you added information (in 2005) pertaining to the collaborationist puppet government of Milan Nedic in Serbia acting in the name of King Petar II and Petar II being officially recognised as 'King of Serbia'. I was wondering if you had any sources as regards this; as I have only been able to find a handful; and these are inconclusive as regards to whether this was the case or not.

Yours,

JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 20:33, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't have any sources to hand. This was my understanding, but it's possible I was wrong. Remove it if you like. john k (talk) 21:02, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

In actual fact I'm leaning towards that being the case; I just need more sources. You must have got that notion from somewhere; I'm curious as to where :-)JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 21:56, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

It's hard to say; it was seven years ago. john k (talk) 23:43, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

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Hello, Just to let you know I undid an [edit] you made to Margaret Thatcher. Your reason for your edit said "No PC until she becomes a Baroness". This is not accurate as the post-nominal "PC" is granted when a person is sworn in to Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council and has nothing to do with being a Member of the Peerage. If you have any questions or believe that I am in error, let me know,

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I have looked at the article "Privy Council of the United Kingdom" and it also incorrectly states that PC is not used unless a person is a British Peer; however, it uses as its source an article that talks about the Privy Council of New Zealand (as a Member of the New Zealand Privy Council would not be entitled to PC unless they are also a British Peer, which is true). My source is Debrett's, and you can't get much more accurate than that. However, I have neither the time nor the inclination to fix the now numerous instances of inaccurate use of the PC Post-nominal. Feel free to change it back if you wish. Or if you have the time, research whether PC is officially granted when a person is a Member of the British Privy Council and not a Peer (Even Debrett's says "In a social style of address for a peer who is a Privy Counsellor it is advisable that the letters PC should follow the name. For all other Members of the Privy Council the pre-fix 'Rt Hon' before the name is sufficient identification." However, it is still proper for all Members to have PC). If you would like to research and make the necessary changes then Thank You. And if not then sorry to bother you. Either Way, Cheers Mate. With Thanks, <<As Always>>, King of Nothing (talk) 03:02, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

That is obvious nonsense from the top as there is no such thing as a "Privy Council of New Zealand". Your sentence "However, it is still proper for all Members to have PC" is your own conclusion based on nothing at the source. In fact, the language quoted points to precisely the opposite. The second sentence is an explanation of why the post-nominals aren't used for non-peers. And even if it weren't a hard and fast rule, it is the pervasive usage at Wikipedia. -Rrius (talk) 04:08, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm not going to bother arguing about whether "PC" should be used for the first line of articles, when, for whatever stupid reason, Wikipedia has decreed that we can't use "Rt. Hon." before the person's name. Fine, use it then if you must, although it would be far better to use all the British honorific prefixes. But it absolutely should not be used in any case where "the Rt. Hon." is present, as in the "styles and titles" section or the infobox. john k (talk) 04:13, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

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About your doubt of the dual conference affiliation membership of the University of Rochester, did you try yet what I suggested, which was to ask the university's athletics department? jlog3000 (talk) 12:19, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

No. Real life prevents full engagement in Wikipedia issues on occasion. Someone should do it, though! john k (talk) 12:44, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

If you like, I'll try to investigate on your behalf and mine. jlog3000 (talk) 13:39, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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I apologize for the inconvenience, but have no other way than appealing for administrators’ help recover a deleted article.

I published a film article entitled Drits (Derivas), a film by Portuguese director Ricardo Costa. It is the second film from an autobiographic trilogy, Faraways. The article was kept untouched by several months. To my surprise, it was recently eliminated and redirected to the director’s page with no discussion. I undid the redirection, but saw the article was proposed to deletion. Reason: independent, verifiable, secondary resources. I argued that the article couldn’t have but primary sources (the producer’s ones) as it is an upcoming film, like many others listed at upcoming films. A film that has not yet been premiered or distributed may not be commented. Besides, none of the films so listed has ever been deleted or even contested.

At last, in discussion, user User:reddogsix proposed that the article should be renamed to Drifts (film) or similar, and at the same time put at the disambiguation page of Dritf this reference «Drifs, unreleased film by Ricardo Costa (filmmaker). I created a new page for the same article entitled Drifts (Portuguese film). As the semantic root “drift” seemed to be the problem, I replaced the article name to Derivas (Drifts) and published it once more with some improvements. As a result, the article was fast deleted and I blocked for three days.

In the meantime, a new article about the trilogy was published: Faraways, which was proposed to fast deletion as well by the same user, User:reddogsix.

Although unreleased, although having no reliable secondary sources, Drifts is unquestionably an outstanding film for its uniqueness and characteristics: autobiography, comedy, docufiction, metafiction in one. I guess that “outstanding” may be a synonym for “notable” in such cases and that articles like this shouldn’t be deleted without previous cared analyses: important information may be lost.

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I just wanted to drop you a note to let you know that I edited your comment to try to make it a little clearer which position you were taking.

If you disagree with this edit, let me know, and I'll undo it immediately! NickCT (talk) 19:52, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

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Why can't duplicates just be removed without a vote? john k (talk) 22:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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I notice you moved a bunch of the articles on members of the House of Savoy to new titles. Please do not do this. The succession of Kings of Sardinia is always Victor Amadeus II -- Charles Emmanuel III -- Victor Amadeus III -- Charles Emmanuel IV -- Victor Emmanuel I. It is completely irrelevant that there was no Victor Amadeus I or Charles Emmanuel I or Charles Emmanuel II who was king of Sardinia. Note that the same process continued after Victor Emmanuel II became King of Italy - he remained Victor Emmanuel II, even though Victor Emmanuel I never reigned over Italy. The titles you moved the articles to are quite literally ones that nobody has ever used. Monarchical numbering is based on actual usage, not logic. Please leave them alone, or at least open a discussion about them rather than just moving them on your own. john k (talk) 20:22, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Kindly review WP:BEBOLD. If there's an issue, you bring it up.

Now you have and, while I honestly don't care enough to go fight it out with you as long as there are redirects from the correct names, you're utterly wrong. The succession of Kings of Sardinia starts the numbers over again, while they are usually called after their styles as Counts of Savoy. Victor Amadeus II of Savoy is Victor Amadeus I of Sardinia; Vicky 2 of Sardinia is an entirely different person. The article should explain that, which I did, but presumably you're restoring the misinformation. That's a bad thing, but it was always a misfortune that the Savoyard punks ended up winning out in Italy and I probably won't bother going through the process of fixing your mistakes a second time.

Do feel encouraged to go learn from your mistakes, though. Being rude, condescending, and wrong is a pretty assholish and unfortunate way to go through life. — LlywelynII 02:02, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

If you are right, provide some sources, then. The vast majority of English language sources use Victor Amadeus II - Charles Emmanuel III - Victor Amadeus III - Charles Emmanuel IV. From what I can gather, so do the vast majority of Italian sources. The numbering you use isn't entirely unheard of, but it is quite rare. If you're going to move articles from the titles that they have had, by consensus, for over a decade, it's up to you to provide support for your position rather than just being condescending. john k (talk) 05:52, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Europäische Stammtafeln

Hello,

You did a recent edit on Europäische Stammtafeln and your edit included some changes to the "Current volume names" and descriptions. Many changes I agree make things easier to read, but changing the actual official name and descriptions given by the authors is another thing.

I had used a copy/paste for the names and descriptions. I also used an open/close bracket to clarify some items which did not change the given name and descriptions.

If you have a chance, please review your last edit on the article. I was tempted to revert, but I know you did the edit in good faith. And it does read better! Again I am concerned about what was given by the authors of the series and what was changed for readability.

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PS I see I also used an equal sign followed by a brief translation at the end on a line. Jrcrin001 (talk)

No. I cited the title and description by copy and paste. After the equal sign is mine and what is between the open/close brackets is also mine. I had forgotten the basic translation after the equal sign on my first message. Jrcrin001 (talk) 03:16, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Okay. My German is more than rusty. I grew up on Sud Deutsch but what is not used is too often lost. Thanks! Jrcrin001 (talk) 03:53, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

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You noted a while back that this page was a mess. It still is, although I have made a preliminary attempt to tidy the section post-1660. Any thoughts? LookLook36 (talk) 02:57, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

As you noted at Talk:First Rochester ministry, the Chits Ministry should really be combined. There is a draft here. LookLook36 (talk) 17:55, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Good to see people are still looking at things! Your version looks better, definitely, in both cases! john k (talk) 19:29, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

In that case, I'll be bold and create it at Ministry of the Chits. LookLook36 (talk) 21:35, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

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• tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
• updating the project's currently listed A-class articles to ensure their ongoing compliance with the listed criteria
• creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various task force pages or other lists of missing articles.

As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.

The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the military history scope will be considered eligible. More information can be found here for those that are interested, and members can sign up as participants at that page also.

The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 March and runs until 23:59 UTC on 31 March 2017, so please sign up now.

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Actor names in plot summaries

Thanks for voicing your opinion on this issue. I didn't join in, as I've already spoken my piece in similar discussions, and I agree completely that it's annoying to be forced to refer to a separate "cast" section, rather than simply reading the actor's name in the synopsis. But you know as well as I that once two or three editors find themselves in agreement on an issue, they will assume the rest of the world agrees with them and declare a "consensus", regardless of any reasoned arguments to the contrary. That, in my view, is one of WP's basic flaws -- no one in charge, just the alleged wisdom of crowds. Sometimes it's a good thing, but most times it sucks badly. Oh, well. Cheers, DoctorJoeE ^{review transgressions}/_{talk to me!} 17:28, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

It feels like Wikipedia has hardened a lot in the last several years, partly just because it feels like no one's around except people who have a vested interest in the status quo. It's become almost impossible to change anything. john k (talk) 01:53, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

I just wanted to apologize for my revert, I didn't notice that you already had started a discussion on the talk page. In any case, I'll leave it as the M:WRONGVERSION until it can be sorted out.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 07:24, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

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Slow down now

Please stop and discuss this issue before going around making edits without consensus. I discussed my moves with RGloucester and he agreed with them. Please stop and discuss and WP:AGF. There was no need to be rude and for a person with your credentials such behaviour is entirely unbecoming.--Nevé–selbert 17:10, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Do you have a link to where you discussed this so I can read the arguments? And making hundreds of ignorant edits with literally no reliable sources to back you up is also rude. john k (talk) 17:14, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

No you are the one being uncouth and assuming bad faith for no good reason. Compose yourself and come round to discussing this issue. Launch an RFC if you must. Just act like an administrator and understand that I acted in good faith out of an effort to implement consistency across the ministry articles. It took me weeks on end and I hardly slept trying to sort these ministries out and for you to assume bad faith for no good reason is just completely disgusting. I am shocked at your unbelievable attitude, I really am.--Nevé–selbert 17:19, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

I assume you are acting in good faith, but you're spreading nonsense in the name of "consistency." Wikipedia's job is to reflect reliable sources, not to impose our own notion of "consistency" on what the sources do. Again: do you have a link to where you discussed making these changes? john k (talk) 17:21, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

This past June, I wrote the following to Mr Selbert: "I understand that you desire consistency, but there are exceptions, and these particular articles are some of them. We can't create a consistency that doesn't exist". He would've done wise to adhere to what I said. I am no longer a contributor here, and I will make no further comment on this subject. Please do not ping me any further. RGloucester — ☎ 17:24, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! So, in fact, RGloucester did not agree with you. john k (talk) 17:29, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) He cited this page which indicates the dates of when there was a change of ministry. Ministries are formed once a new Parliament is convened. That is how things work in British politics. I cannot find an exact source specifying this at this moment, but logically a ministry is a group of ministers that are technically reappointed once they reassume their seats following the reconvention of Parliament. From a logical perspective a new ministry is formed when MPs reassume their seats. Please understand this and reflect on your tone. You are coming across as infinitely unpleasant and I am pretty shocked at your colourful language.--Nevé–selbert 17:31, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

That is a list of parliaments, indicating the ministries in power during each of them. It is not a list of governments. Being a minister has no formal or necessary connection to being in parliament. In fact, until the mid-20th century, ministers lost their parliamentary seats upon their appointment to office, and had to run in a by-election to get them back. If they lost the by-election, they could still continue as ministers for some indefinite period - there was no technical bar to them being ministers without being in parliament, though it was considered untenable in the long run and they'd generally resign if they couldn't find a seat after a couple tries. As recently as 1964, Patrick Gordon-Walker was appointed Foreign Secretary, despite not having a seat in parliament, though he resigned after he was unable to secure one in a by-election. In 1963, Sir Alec Douglas-Home served as prime minister for several weeks while not in parliament. What was still technically the case in the 1960s was even more the case in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and there wasn't even any real informal connection prior to the Great Reform Act, when governments literally never lost elections. john k (talk) 17:38, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Please list the article titles you take issue with. Sidenote, please redact your uncivil comments per WP:RUC.--Nevé–selbert 17:54, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

OK, I found this source listing every ministry until 1910. I'm happy to admit that I was wrong in several of my moves and I will try and correct everything tomorrow. It's rather late where I am so I'm probably going to hit the hay soon, but we can certainly sort this out in a gentlemanly fashion. I am willing to cooperate.--Nevé–selbert 18:00, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Not sure about article titles, but, just starting in the 19th century, which I know best, the idea that there was more than one Liverpool ministry, that there were three (rather than one) Grey ministries, that there were three (rather than two) Russell ministries, that there were four (rather than three) Derby ministries, that there were four (rather than two) Palmerston ministries, that there were four (rather than three) Salisbury ministries, that there were two (rather than one) Campbell-Bannerman ministry, that there were four (rather than two) Asquith ministries is all inaccurate. The one I'm not sure about is the Melbourne situation - I've seen August 1839 as the beginning of a distinct third Melbourne ministry, but that maybe should just be seen as a reshuffle, since it doesn't actually coincide with the bedchamber crisis, which happened in May. I'm happy to retract any uncivil comments, if that does a lick of good - I saw a whole series of articles I've worked on a fair bit that had been edited into what I saw as incoherence, and I was irritated. I'm glad you're starting to see that you were mistaken about some of this. I'm happy to work with you on fixing this. I wish I could remember the main sources I used when originally making cabinet lists (it was close to 15 years ago at this point, and I wasn't so good in those wild early days of Wikipedia about citing sources). john k (talk) 18:09, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

I'll go by the 1910 source as it seems accurate enough for pre-1910 ministries. I am trying to start some of the fixing today but this is really a colossal task. It might take weeks to fix everything and check incorrect incoming links then delete unnecessary redirects and reformat disambiguation pages. I'm going to have to change my plans for the next few days to fix all this. Frankly I have a headache right now so I'm going to call it a day today.--Nevé–selbert 18:22, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Certainly don't view it as an obligation. I've made some of the changes already, and will try to do more (though right now I should really try to do some actual useful work that I've been procrastinating from by arguing with you). I sent you some links on your talk page, which should hopefully be helpful. john k (talk) 18:31, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Would you mind moving the following pages please? Thank-you.--Nevé–selbert 13:49, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

• Whig government, 1855–1858 (currently a redirect to First Palmerston ministry) → Talk:First Palmerston ministry – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. {{{sig}}}
• Whig government, 1846–1852 (currently a redirect to First Russell ministry) → Talk:First Russell ministry – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. {{{sig}}}
• Whig government, 1835–1841 (currently a redirect to Second Melbourne ministry) → Talk:Second Melbourne ministry – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. {{{sig}}}
• Tory government, 1807–1809 (currently a redirect to Second Portland ministry) → Talk:Second Portland ministry – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. {{{sig}}}
• {{{sig}}}
• Tory government, 1783–1801 (currently a redirect to First Pitt ministry) → Talk:First Pitt ministry – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. {{{sig}}}
• Whig government, 1754–1756 (currently a redirect to First Newcastle ministry) → Talk:First Newcastle ministry – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. {{{sig}}}

Sure. john k (talk) 13:56, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, but you forgot to move the talk pages:--Nevé–selbert 14:20, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

• Talk:Whig government, 1855–1858 (currently a redirect to Talk:First Palmerston ministry) → Talk:First Palmerston ministry – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. {{{sig}}}
• Talk:Whig government, 1846–1852 (currently a redirect to Talk:First Russell ministry) → Talk:First Russell ministry – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. {{{sig}}}
• Talk:Whig government, 1835–1841 (currently a redirect to Talk:Second Melbourne ministry) → Talk:Second Melbourne ministry – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. {{{sig}}}
• Talk:Tory government, 1807–1809 (currently a redirect to Talk:Second Portland ministry) → Talk:Second Portland ministry – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. {{{sig}}}
• Talk:Whig government, 1754–1756 (currently a redirect to Talk:First Newcastle ministry) → Talk:First Newcastle ministry – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. {{{sig}}}

Hi again. Can you move these pages back please? Thanks.--Nevé–selbert 18:36, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

• Whig government, 1714–1717 (currently a redirect to Townshend ministry) → Townshend ministry – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. {{{sig}}}
• Talk:Whig government, 1714–1717 (currently a redirect to Talk:Townshend ministry) → Talk:Townshend ministry – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. {{{sig}}}
• Whig government, 1730–1742 (currently a redirect to Walpole ministry) → Walpole ministry – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. {{{sig}}}
• Talk:Whig government, 1730–1742 (currently a redirect to Talk:Walpole ministry) → Talk:Walpole ministry – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. {{{sig}}}

Can you delete these two redirects, if that's OK? Third Melbourne ministry and Fourth Derby ministry.--Nevé–selbert 21:44, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

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Problem with direct translation

Hello John- I'm contacting you regarding a problem I encountered with an editor who is eager to apply French usage rules to en.wp articles. I remember you making quite well-reasoned arguments on a related issue years ago (Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_France/Archive_1#Anglicisation2, Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_France/Archive_2). Nothing urgent here, but if you have a minute, would you tell me what you think about this:

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I have limited patience for this kind of attitude and behavior, and am tempted to drop the issue and let the editor make up his own rules until others come along, but I thought I'd run it by someone else first. Thanks in advance, and no prob if you don't have time. Eric ^talk 20:13, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

PS- I didn't realize until right after I wrote the above post that you were one of the users I'd pinged on that talkpage. Sorry to double-ping you! Eric ^talk 20:20, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for looking in there, John, and for your input. Eric ^talk 12:16, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi John- This issue has arisen again, and I ended up posting about it on the edit warring noticeboard. I'm not experienced with this kind of thing, and don't want to be, but I felt the posting was called for. Can you tell me if you think it would be appropriate to ping the more recent editors of the Perche article again to alert them to the edit warring notice? I was accused of canvassing a few years ago, to my surprise, and I don't want to risk that again, though I wouldn't think it would apply to pinging these editors. See Talk:Perche#"The"_Perche and Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Aboudaqn_reported_by_User:Eric_(Result:_). Thanks in advance for your advice. Eric ^talk 00:18, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Ugh, accusations of "canvassing" often feel a bit like the last refuge of a scoundrel to me. Asking people who've shown interest in a topic in the past to weigh in should be encouraged, especially given how much less general talk page activity there is in Wikipedia compared to a few years ago. The problem the rule was meant to address was when people were basically recruiting meat puppets to take their side. Anyway, in spite of being nominally an administrator, I can offer no real advice about stuff like that - I don't really understand current Wikipedia conventions well enough to know what's considered appropriate. I will weigh in on the talk page again. john k (talk) 12:10, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. Thanks for your views. This aspect of Wikipedia is a drag, and I appreciate your input. Eric ^talk 12:24, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

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Some months ago, commenting at the talk page of Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor, you said:

It is actually nuts that the article itself doesn't have a chronological account of Charles's life. Isn't that what biography articles are supposed to do? Especially given the peripatetic nature of his reign, it's particularly important to get a sense of where he was at any given time, and what problem he was focused on.

I totally agree with you. So i dedicated the last months to abridge into my second sandbox the biographies made on Charles V by Karl Brandi, Geoffrey Parker, Martyn Rady, Federico Chabod, and others (also charles's autobiography, although it's not very detailed). I integrated into this work what's already in the article, honestly very confusing, and put it into a chronological order. I had to add important stuff not mentioned in the article + correct the mistakes.

If you are curious to see what is the final result (and compare it with the current article) you can see it here: User:Barjimoa/sandbox2. This has precisely what you asked for. At any point in the article you know where Charles is and what he's doing. The final recap (10 voyages in Flanders, 9 in germany/austria, 7 in Spain, 7 in Italy etc. etc) is mentioned after his death in a section on his legacy. I also merged all the stuff on his private life into a single section.

It's not finished because I have to add another round of sources and correct the grammatical mistakes (i am not a native english speaker unfortunately).

I honestly don't like the article the way it is now (for the reasons you mentioned) but i'm losing my mind to find a way to put order into the current situation. the current article is structured in such a way that it's very hard to correct it gradually. Barjimoa (talk) 14:33, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you John K, it's very kind of you. Once i finshed it and added the new round of sources/citations, i will tell you and ask you to edit/proofread it if you have time for it. Hopefully we can make a good article. Thanks again.Barjimoa (talk) 00:11, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

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