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M.Balfas is my father I lived it and am the best source for the truth Salim Balfas (talk) 09:35, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

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Think my edit was mistakenly deleted

Hi HaeB,

You deleted my edit on Conscientiousness and subjective well-being because I did not add a source. The thing is, a source was already there. You can find the information in the same study that was used in a source for the first sentence. On page 145 you can find a table of the big five personality traits and how they influence subjective well-being.

Link to the edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conscientiousness&type=revision&diff=1028841253&oldid=1028841123 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:a03f:ea7c:8800:edeb:dfb5:ed92:d737 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, the revert was intentional - if you reuse a citation that is already in the text, you should communicate that to fellow editors who may be reviewing your change (personally I use something like "per already cited ref" in the edit summary in such cases). I'll also note that you did not update the citation's access date (it still says "Retrieved 2012-07-11"), so even following your logic regarding the article text, one would have had to conclude that you did not actually inspect that source.

In any case, I appreciate that you have followed up on this now, and thank you for the explanation! Based on this, I was going to reinstate your edit, but on closer inspection there are other issues with it, regarding WP:NOR in particular. See my notes at Talk:Conscientiousness (article talk pages are a better place for conversations about the actual article content, so that other editors can weigh in too - see also the note on top of this page.)

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User:Chinmay589 keeps vandalizing the page. From his edits, he seems to have a Conflict of Interest with the subject. 103.151.156.81 (talk) 07:41, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

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Wiktionary#Critical reception

This page is so severely out of date that it got tagged for that reason... in 2013. I'd like to improve it, but I don't really know where to look for sources besides Google Scholar. Given your experience monitoring research on WMF wikis, I was wondering whether you were interested in helping, or if you might have ideas on where to look for summaries of scholarly and non-scholarly assessments of Wiktionary. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 17:04, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

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Hello. You raised some points here but you didn't get back after that. Please do join the continued discussion if you have time and good will. --阿pp (talk) 05:57, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@阿pp: Thank you for your courteous note, it is appreciated. I hadn't gotten to do much editing in recent weeks, but I just left another comment in that discussion.

Keep in mind that no one is obliged to "get back" in such content discussions, and neither are you obliged to wait for everyone's sign-off. But do expect that if policy violations that had been pointed out earlier remain unresolved, any editor may still take issue with them going forward. Regards, HaeB (talk) 16:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on China at the 2020 Summer Olympics, it is interesting that 阿pp hasn't resurfaced since 19 August 2021, while Casualfoodie has been indefinitely blocked. Have noticed that both editors have attempted to blank the disputed content in question (censorship?), later justifying the removal with state-owned media sources, is this a sign of the 50 Cent Party? Have had a similar problem on the Sun Yang page. FobTown (talk) 20:04, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

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Started Recent research

I started Recent research because there were a couple of studies that caught my eye. Hoping you can still do your usual contribs for the upcoming issue. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:09, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

@Bri: Great, thank you! Always feel free to start the draft already if you have something to contribute. The only thing I would suggest is to start with the section layout template, and also to check the Etherpad with the current todo list of papers to cover (to note which papers you covered, so as to avoid duplicate effort). The latter should always be linked in the newsroom. (If my note there is still from last month, then that means I haven't yet gotten to create the updated pad with the newest papers - but in that case feel free to leave that note in last month's pad instead.)

Thanks again for covering these two important items for this issue. Regarding the Google image dataset, I just added mention of the accompanying Kaggle competition and the WMF research team's aims and involvement, as both should be of interest for our readers in particular.

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I just read your explanation of your current and former usernames. Is it a reference to a German folk song I'm familiar with? ☆ Bri (talk) 15:59, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Ah no, a different one (and not - originally - German). Regards, HaeB (talk) 17:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

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You might want to comment at Wikipedia:Administrators noticeboard/Incidents. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:26, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

@Orangemike: Thank you for raising the issue there! I see it was already handled shortly afterwards. Regards, HaeB (talk) 09:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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Knowledge Graph panels and click-through rates

Hey, we were discussing the other day what impact the Knowledge Graph panels had on Wikipedia click-throughs.

Re-reading Heather's Wikipedia@20 chapter, "The Rise of the Underdog", just now, I realised that we had both forgotten a part of the history that explained why click-throughs did drop for a while, causing panic at WMF (see fundraising and Knowledge Graph references on that page – this is the year the WMF started exceeding its fundraising targets).

Heather says, "Soon after Google’s announcement, former head of research at the Wikimedia Foundation, Dario Taraborelli, started taking notice of how Google represented information from Wikipedia in its knowledge panels. One of the first iterations featured a prominent backlink to Wikipedia next to each of the facts under the opening paragraph. There was even reference to the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike license that Wikipedia content is licensed under. But, as the panels evolved, blue links to Wikipedia articles started shrinking in size. Over time, the underscore was removed so that the links weren’t clickable, and then the links were lightened to a barely visible grey tone. Now, facts under the opening paragraph tend not to be cited at all, and hyperlinked statements refer back to other Google pages."

I remember this phase now, where Wikipedia wasn't clickable. (Here and here are some examples from 2013, showing Wikipedia in pale grey rather than as a blue hyperlink.) This is no longer the case. The blue Wikipedia hyperlink has become standard again in Google, and it's also standard on DuckDuckGo, the search engine used for the particular study we were discussing. Best, --Andreas JN466 12:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

let me know please

about any progress. I'm definitely delayed and looking for a publisher! Smallbones_(smalltalk) 19:56, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Smallbones: I just saved a version (right before seeing your message) and could have it publishable in just a few minutes, but I can definitely use some extra time this time. Regards, HaeB (talk) 19:59, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Take an hour if you need it. I need it. I also need a publisher. BTW, I think daylight savings time affected my time expectation (UTC didn't change) as well as the holiday. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 20:14, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Ceterum censeo we should always focus on the deadline template as a central location for coordinating publication time... Regards, HaeB (talk) 20:30, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

do you know

how to publish? 20:55, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Smallbones: No, sorry - I have never used the publishing script, and the instructions for the manual process (much of which I wrote a decade ago) are very likely outdated by now. Regards, HaeB (talk) 21:05, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Me neither - I guess I'll just wait untill somebody shows up! Smallbones_(smalltalk) 21:06, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

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It looks like I will be acting Signpost manager around the end of the month due to holiday schedules. The writing deadline is set for the 27th. Should I expect your column around the deadline as usual? Maybe earlier? ☆ Bri (talk) 19:55, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

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Dear HaeB, thank you for your initial help at Carl von Bimsarck page. Editors on the German and Portugues page insist on mantaining the poorly source article and locked the page for editing.Can you please help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otto-Christian von Bismarck (talk • contribs) 16:47, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

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@Xoltered: It looks that this was an effort to retaliate against the 3rr warning you had received 25 minutes earlier, about your persistent edit-warring over several days against several other editors to remove Uyghur genocide from the article lead (and which you chose to dismiss within less than one hour, alongside separate concerns brought up by other editors about your editing).

Now that you have also received an official administrative warning about this, it might be a good moment to reconsider such tactics. Regards, HaeB (talk) 22:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Reliable sources

Hello! Can you clarify on the reliability of the source material of "obituary :The Independent" report on NFAK. Is it safe to cite 'obituary' for a reliable source of info for a living person? I see one person removed it from that page.. Arorapriyansh333 (talk) 18:30, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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Replied at User talk:CurryCity#Edit warring at 2022 Winter Olympics 2. Regards, 01:46, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

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Note

You could add citation needed to my undisputed edits instead of just deleting without knowing the facts and seeing the whole picture. Georgeadelmoureed (talk) 12:54, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps, but the text is still preserved in the version history, so once you find a reliable source for your assertion about the CIA's capabilities in "tracking brain waves and reading minds", you can easily add it back. Regards, HaeB (talk) 20:43, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Excuse me what about habit cough where its method of transmission if revealed it could end this new phenomenon ? How can i find a source other than "see and notice" manner ? Georgeadelmoureed (talk) 11:51, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

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Saw this underneath the top bar on that Signpost article just now. Looks like you've just broken a milestone! Congratulations. jp×g 20:33, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh nice, thanks for the heads-up! (Xtools says 50,187, but either way I entirely missed this.) Regards, HaeB (talk) 20:39, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

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Hey! Not sure if this is okay, but I've found a pretty recent and interesting study on Wikipedia citations and open access. I've made a draft here, but it still needs a lot of work. I've asked my boyfriend to revise it a bit, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on this too. GeraldWL 10:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: Apologies I missed this earlier. It looks great, feel free to add it to the draft for the upcoming issue, which is due for publication in a little over 22 hours already (27 March 20:00 UTC) - if that timing doesn't work out for you, we could also run it in a future edition. The only thing I can think of adding might be mentions of related research about open access citations on Wikipedia (e.g. [2] has earlier coverage of two or three relevant papers).

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Hello! I'd appreciate if you could send me the credentials for our Twitter and Facebook accounts :) I'd love to help with writing copy for each issue, as well as scheduled Tweets/Facebook posts, in order to hopefully increase our reach. Thank you! My email is open. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 23:05, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Replied here. Regards, HaeB (talk) 07:49, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, HaeB. Hope you are doing great! I don't think that I made any mistake by adding this external link to the time-lapse photography page.

The above videos on the page are just low quality and not expressing the "time-lapse" appropriately.

The link I have added is one the best time-lapse video in the world. It was taken in California and it is an award winning photograph collection of more than 10,000+ images.

HaeB, it is my request to you please approve the change. This is not just a normal time-lapse video, it is work of someone's year. Ryankillackey (talk) 20:26, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:Ryankillackey. Regards, HaeB (talk) 20:26, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

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if you like to resolve this issue, take the dispute to talk and we can resolve it in the talk section. Wikipedia:Neutral point of view - please read carefully. "All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." read arguments and counters-arguments related to Sri Lanka on Debt-trap diplomacy. LilAhok (talk) 15:22, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

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Hi! Could you or @JPxG write this month's Twitter summary? I can take care of the other tweets. Thanks! 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 03:22, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@EpicPupper: Yes, will do that shortly (along with the usual WW Facebook post). Regards, HaeB (talk) 03:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

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Is there a link for this? I didn't see anything in the letter linked in the article. If this is verified, a note needs to be added to that section (which I can do, or someone else can do, but it needs to happen). jp×g 07:52, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

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Responding to [3], here's my short review of "Wikipedia as a trusted method of information assessment during the COVID-19 crisis".

The chapter, unfortunately not yet in open access, provides a good overview of Wikipedia's history and practices, concluding that Wikipedia's coverage of the COVID-19 pandemic is "precise and robust", and how this generated positive coverage of Wikipedia in mainstrem media. The author provides an extensive and detailed overview of how Wikipedia volunteers covered the pandemic, and highlights the efforts of the dedicated Wikipedia:WikiProject COVID-19, an offshot of the larger Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine, as important in creating quality content in the topic area. He also praises the Wikimedia Community and the Wikimedia Foundation for their dedication to the fight against fake news and related misinformation.

One of the most interesting, if somewhat tangential to the main topic observations of the author is that Wikipedia "is used [by readers] in ways similar to a news media", which "generates a tension between Wikipedia's original encyclopaedic ambitions and these pressing journalisstic tendencies" (an interesting and in this reviewer experience, under-research topic, at least in English - for a recent French book on this topic, see here (a review of said book). The author concludes that this, somewhat begruding, acceptance of current developments by the Wikipedia community has significantly contributed to making its coverage relevant to the general audience, and at the same time, notes that despite reliance on media sources, rather than waiting for scholarly coverage, Wikipedia was still able to main high quality in its coverage, which the author attributes to editor's reliance on "legacy media utlets, like the New York Times and the BBC". _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:07, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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If we could bury the hatchet for now, if you can get the Recent research up by about 23:00 UTC today (the 26th), I'll do my best to make sure it's copyedited before publication day. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.2% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600^th FP!} 02:24, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

@Adam Cuerden: Thanks for the offer, and no hatchets in sight from where I'm sitting! ;)

I am going to work on this a bit later today and will update the newsroom page once there is more to copyedit. As always, I'm committed to having it in publishable form by the publication deadline tomorrow. Regards, HaeB (talk) 22:39, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Aye, you do great work with it. Just trying to make things a little easier on JPxG. I copyedited what existed, not sure how much is coming. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.2% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600^th FP!} 01:03, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, I for one am hoping that the Signpost gets delayed so Recent Research can be finished properly, but don't know how much JPxG checks messages in all the chaos of publishing, so might be a good idea to at least add a link to where the final paper will be, since I think it's published somewhere else too? Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.2% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600^th FP!} 21:00, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for beginning quality articles such as Helen Duncan and Montgomery Block, the latter fixing copyvio problems, for requesting sources for added facts, for explaining "a well-known cognitive bias known as curse of knowledge", for SignPost journalism including editor-in-chief. for service from 2003, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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Redact?

Are you requesting a revdel of that gross WP:BLP violation? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 14:19, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

@John Maynard Friedman: I'm not quite sure which edit(s) you are referring to - I have reverted at least four BLP violations in the last hour or so. In any case I didn't request a revdel for any of them so far, so feel free to go ahead if you see a case where that is advised. Regards, HaeB (talk) 14:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Good grief... I was being cryptic assuming there would be only one and that I shouldn't draw attention to it. Will consult my friendly local sheriff admin. Thank you. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:46, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

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This is for [5], finally got around to reading it.

The paper addresses the issue of systemic bias, and focuses on English, Chinese, Arabic and Spanish Wikipedias. The authors study the production of seven years of news on these projects (from WP:ITN and its equivalents), and conclude that while there is an indication of self-focus bias, there is also strong evidence of a global representation of events. Self-focus, here, refers to focusing on one's home region or culture, and past studies found that about a quarter of most Wikipedias are about "self-focused topics".

The authors ended up with the dataset of a total of 6730 articles... 2064 in English, 1379 in Arabic, 1527 in Chinese and 1760 in Spanish which correspond to 2064 events, 172 in Arabic-speaking countries, 115 in Chinese-speaking areas, 114 in Spanish-speaking regions, 445 in the US, 472 in other English-speaking countries and 746 in [other] areas. The events were also coded by topic covered, which resulted in the 192 events classified as Science & Nature, 714 in Notable Person, 337 in Sports, 299 in Politics, 231 in Man-made Incidents, and 291 as Other categories. To compare Wikipedia's coverage to global media coverage, the author also associated their dataset with that of the GDELT Project.

Some specific findings suggest that English Wikipedia suffers from a slight under-representation of events in Arabic-speaking countries. Arabic project on the other hand does not show much self-bias; instead it over-represents events that happen in English-speaking countries (but not the USA). The Chinese and Spanish Wikipedia, authors argue, have a stronger self-focus bias than Arabic and English projects, although still, over 90% of events covered by the news sections of these projects are about items not related to these countries. The authors also find, perhaps unsurprisingly, that larger Wikipedias will react to breaking news faster and update their news section more promptly. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:52, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

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Please read how Holocaust studies was started by the Israeli embassy in a secret meeting. Then please read about the recent initiative of Grabowski to censor Wikipedia: [6], [7]. Wikipedia shouldn't censor Polish scholars who cover the heroic efforts of the Poles to fight Germany and rescue Jews. 188.147.175.5 (talk) 09:28, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

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I appreciate a seasoned editor and community member stepping in at GISAID -- what is happening there with "new-who-claim-not-to-be-new" agenda-driven editors is pretty disgraceful. I have some time finally to address the problems, point-by-point, in discussion. I'll be sure to make the case for following Wikipedia policies and guidelines before making any alterations. Would you mind looking back in over the next couple of days on the Talk page, to see how you would assess or characterize the dispute? - AppleBsTime (talk) 14:20, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

@AppleBsTime: That sounds like a good plan of action. As always on Wikipedia, you don't need me or any other third party to come to an agreement with the editor about whose edits you are concerned; but I have this article on my watchlist now and if time permits I may try to take another look and perhaps weigh in in case it seems that my input could be useful. As already indicated on the article talk page though, I would strongly recommend to focus your arguments on the content. Regards, HaeB (talk) 20:29, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

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For the etherpad. My new article on mundane but I think pretty cool sciency Wiki stuff: European Wikipedia platforms, sharing economy and national differences in participation: a case study. It is a follow up to my earlier article Macro-level Differences in Participation in Sharing Economy: Factors Affecting Contributions to the Collective Intelligence Wikipedia Platform across Different Asian Countries which was briefly summarized in Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2021-10-31/Recent research. If a prospective reviewer needs an OA copy, let me know; I need to double check that journal's archival policies (I forgot the link to the website that helps with that). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:07, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Happy to add (and tweet) it either way, but yes, an open access version would be preferable. Per [8] they allow the "Author’s Original Manuscript" to be shared in any venue, and the "Accepted Manuscript" on a "personal website". Regards, HaeB (talk) 16:32, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. See academia.edu and researchgate for open access links. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:20, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Nice; I just got around to posting a tweet.

By the way - I haven't read the full paper so maybe I'm missing something, but did you consider using this dataset? (The WMF's privacy-motivated bucketing complicates statistical analyses, but there should be ways to handle that.)

Regards, HaeB (talk) 09:11, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Belated reply - thanks for the link to the dataset, it's worth considering. Also - wondering if I missed it, but which RR issue was my European research mentioned in? Did it slip through the cracks? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Just following up? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:58, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Hmmm. In either case, here's another new paper of mine, which TL;DR can be sumarized as: Wikipedia is not as popular in South Korea as in most other countries. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:57, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks - happy to tweet, as before, but at the risk of repeating myself from above: Is there a freely accessible version? I assume T&F's policies haven't changed since April.

Also - wondering if I missed it, but which RR issue was my European research mentioned in? - I thought that after all these years you might be somewhat familiar with our production process? It can take a few months, and that's OK (the monthly editions are not for super timely breaking research news, we have Twitter and Mastodon for that. Sooner is better of course, and with the help of some new volunteers we are currently speeding up things a bit and also reducing the backlog).

That said, in this particular case your plight has since attracted the attention of a good Samaritan, who added it to the current issue (although in the "Other recent" section only, without full coverage). Regards, HaeB (talk) 00:34, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

I did miss you reply - may I kindly suggest WP:ECHOing people when replying on your talkpage? These days we have the subthread subscription too but I am not sure if it was active back then and I did not have it activated.

Anyway, reporting on my new papers since July, I think they the first two are more interesting for our readers:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/08944393231220165 - OA preprint: https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.14401
• https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Where_experts_and_amateurs_meet:_the_ideological_hobby_of_medical_volunteering_on_Wikipedia
• https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02188791.2023.2220936 Here, I don't think we have an OA version yet, sadly, but frankly, I don't understand what Sherpa tells me about this journal - can you tell me what am I allowed to do here?

Side note: do you think WMF should have grants for open access licencing of Wikipedia research? I wonder if this is something for an OPED for TS... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:52, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Oh, I seriously thought this kind of reply would generate a ping by default nowadays.

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/08944393231220165 - OA preprint: https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.14401 - happy to post the latter, but since there seem to be considerable differences (starting from the title), perhaps you want to update it with the accepted version first? (Which is permissible per [9].)
• https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Where_experts_and_amateurs_meet:_the_ideological_hobby_of_medical_volunteering_on_Wikipedia - thanks, posted
• can you tell me what am I allowed to do here? IANAL obv, but my reading of that third-party page (btw, this appears to be a more readable version) is is that it is consistent with what I had said above: Per [10] [T&F] allow the "Author’s Original Manuscript" to be shared in any venue, and the "Accepted Manuscript" on a "personal website" (if you translate "Author’s Original Manuscript" to "Submitted version" and "Accepted Manuscript" to "Accepted Version").

do you think WMF should have grants for open access licencing of Wikipedia research? - [11] says The Wikimedia Foundation does not cover APCs for research conducted under the terms of [its open access] policy, but researchers may apply for an additional grant from the Wikimedia Foundation to cover these fees under certain circumstances. Not sure though how current that information is. As for "should": From the perspective of the newsletter anything that makes relevant research more accessible would of course be welcome; although I could also imagine some tricky implementation questions, e.g. about very highly priced fees or predatory journals, process/governance details, COI/bias issues (should WMF be compelled to fund distribution of research that criticizes it or doesn't align with its opinions and priorities) - although much of this may not be worse than for some already existing systems. A Signpost op-ed might be a good way to launch such a discussion. (It doesn't quite fit in RR, but we could surely link to it.)

Regards, HaeB (talk) 22:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Keeping IANAL in mind, what do you think is a "personal website"? Would my profiles on academia or researchgate fit under that definition? (A also offers this service); and I also found this). Frankly, I consider my Wikipedia userpage a personal website, but again, legally, it's weird, uploading the paper to wikibooks or such would be more copyright craziness. What are best practices here? Right now my simplest idea is to upload the file to a file locker and link it from my old forgotten blog :P _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Well, the aforementioned T&F page clearly distinguishes between my personal website or blog and scholarly collaboration networks (ResearchGate, Academia.edu etc). So it seems clear that at least from their point of view, the answer to your second question is no. Regards, HaeB (talk) 04:06, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Link to submitted version for the first paper, OA: https://lewoniewski.info/files/americanization.pdf _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:47, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@Piotrus: thanks! Tweeted. Regards, HaeB (talk) 03:57, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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The RFPP section has already been archived, but since you pinged me, I didn't want to just ignore you. My thoughts:

• I didn't notice the prior, longer protections. I also see that my gut instinct - that this was a limited-time, coordinated attack - was likely wrong. Hence the 1 week protection yesterday.
• I see User:Dennis Brown upgraded it to a month today. Better than mine, but you're probably right that it will need protection almost immediately after Dennis' protection expires.
• I hate to semi-protect talk pages for very long, as that leaves non-confirmed good faith editors no way to easily make edit requests. But I agree this talk page situation looks untenable; when it is unprotected, there's a firehose of confused and/or stupid edits that make legit use of the talk page almost impossible. On this particular page, I wouldn't object to a 1 year semi-protection.
• I'll poke around and see if it's common/possible to add an unprotected subpage that is open to non-confirmed editors.
• Dennis, if you got this ping, any objection to increasing to a year, since three 1-month and 1 3-month protections weren't sufficient? If you look at the page history, HaeB is right, this is basically guaranteed to start right back up.
• HaeB, if Dennis wants to try a month, feel free to ping me in July if/when it starts back up, and I'll semi for a year.

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• Floquenbeam, I have no objection to increasing, with the justification being that this isn't a flash in the pan topic, and the likelyhood of continued distruption is extraordinarily high given the subject matter. I would note that there is more than "vandalism", but actually spamming and other disruption that makes this a rather unique case. This was my thinking in giving it a month (and brainfarting when it was asking to override), which is longer than most first time semi- for non-BLP articles. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 22:22, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks both! I certainly agree with Floquenbeam that talk pages should be only be protected in rare and unusual situations. But this is clearly one of them. I would add that these edits are actually in all likelihood not intentionally disruptive, as they appear to come from people who mistake that talk page for an interface where one can post requests to a chatbot. This also means that protecting the page may in fact doing these people a favor, preventing them from wasting their time. - In any case I have posted a note about this on the page itself, which is probably the best location for continuing the discussion if necessary. Regards, HaeB (talk) 21:36, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Hello! the reason I removed that part is because it is not mentioned in any authentic reports. The source that was used was written by a famously biased person who does not provide a source to what she is saying in some parts of her book, if you think this should be kept then it should at least be noted that this is not the common view of what happened and that an emphasis needs to be put that most of what is being said there is from an author's view not any authentic sources SpeedyCord (talk) 20:16, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

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I just discovered your writing at [12] I didn't realize this kind of summarization was being done. Very helpful. Thank you. BrokenSegue 03:48, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@BrokenSegue: Glad to hear it is useful! (Contributions are always welcome btw.) Regards, HaeB (talk) 22:14, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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theres a talk page for this stuff

at me there or stay out of the conversation you clearly have no idea about

read the talk page as to why i was justified in editing

then notice the immediate topic sliding of the other users, failure to understand text when that's what they're trying to do for wikipedia and unwillingness to explain their position just like in another article that took 2 months and a forced edit before it even got attention..

now tell me these people aren't being biased in their conduct and editing, or that they don't have personal stakes here...

also biased you immediately listen to the account guy over me just because i post anonymously

or did you actually have a reason, you know, one you would have no issue posting here or on the talk page? ill wait 62.145.196.138 (talk) 08:40, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I see you have since been blocked and also had received feedback from other editors already. So I'll just add the advice to cite sources and be aware Wikipedia's "Neutral Point of View" policy when e.g. adding plagiarism accusations to an article, and to include an explanation in the edit summary when removing content (no, this one was not sufficient); if space is too short for such an explanation, feel free to link to one on the article's talk page instead. Regards, HaeB (talk) 19:37, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, I've just left this comment on User:Red-tailed hawk's talk page. It applies to you word for word. I could have pinged you there, but I wanted to leave a record of it on your talk page as well, and copying and pasting it here seemed silly - so that's it. Thank you kindly, Gitz (talk) (contribs) 15:13, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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RR - over my head

Hi, I held back on adding something to my Recent research writeup; feel like I'm already over my head especially considering the stature of the journal it's appearing in. However, I thought I'd run this by you. A statistician at U Toronto named Ulrich Schimmack has criticized experiments on psychological priming (see de:Priming (Psychologie)) and IAT specifically, saying I find no support for the claim that IATs have practically significant incremental predictive validity. In conclusions, IATs are widely used without psychometric evidence of construct or predictive validity. ("Invalid Claims About the Validity of Implicit Association Tests by Prisoners of the Implicit Social-Cognition Paradigm", PMCID PMC8167921) This may pertain to the study under review, but I don't feel like I can make that statement myself. In the paper they don't seem to acknowledge IAT may be imperfect, and yet, of the study results dependent on IAT, they acknowledge that we view our implicit bias results as suggestive. ☆ Bri (talk) 00:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

It's not just the statistician that you mention, there seems to be an entire literature raising concerns about the IAT's validity and reliability (and also defenses by its proponents). Some of this is described at Implicit-association_test#Criticism_and_controversy; for a more concise explainer targeting a lay audience one might try one of the journalistic articles highlighted approvingly by Andrew Gelman here.

But, while I haven't yet read the entire paper that you're reviewing, it does actually seem that the authors are transparent about the test being controversial in general: We acknowledge important continuing debate about the reliability of the IAT. In fact they appear to report results that bolster such reliability concerns (We note, however, that the distribution of participants’ implicit bias scores was less stable across our preregistered studies than the distribution of participants’ explicit bias scores.) So one might want to focus on their justification of still using it in their particular situation (Our specific choice of IAT is supported by ...), and also highlight that they apparently primarily relied on an alternative, less questionable metric for their overall conclusions: Given these considerations, we view our implicit bias results as suggestive and emphasize our measure of participants’ explicit bias as our primary and most robust outcome of interest.

Regards, HaeB (talk) 01:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the copyedit, I like the way it's looking now. One other thing that I hesitated to add. If the linchpin of their result is not the IAT, but now is rather the self-reported "gender slider" test for perceived fitness for occupations. How did they determine that the people willing to do this task are good subjects? I know they did some demographic basis-setting, but do you think that was legit? Seems to me that anonymous quiz-taking (for pay) on the Internet is ... hmm... less than ideal in terms of filtering out trolls and getting a representation of the psychology of "average" users. Then again, maybe bored and underemployed people are the average Internet user. I don't know what to do with this speculation. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:27, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

I mean, yes, that kind of sampling bias is definitely a concern in general when using such platforms. But their use is also pretty much standard in this line of research, and the authors seem to have done at least some due diligence (also search for "attention checks" in the paper). So it isn't necessarily a red flag. If you want to dig deeper into this: The other day I happened to see - but didn't read yet - a new working paper which investigated such quality issues; the abstract specifically mentions Prolific's "nationally representative" option that was used in the Nature paper. (More generally, Amazon_Mechanical_Turk#Research_validity mentions some other concerns about that platform specifically but needs to be updated with newer findings. More recently, giving the increasing capabilities of AI, there has been a bit of panic that many such survey reponses might ... not be human-generated, but at least in some cases these concerns seem to be overblown so far.)

Having read a bit more of the paper now, I think the review could still use a bit more detail on what the Wikipedia-related findings looked like concretely (given that they were not the paper's main focus), I might take a stab at that shortly - will ping you again if I make any substantial changes and possibly add myself to the byline.

Regards, HaeB (talk) 06:26, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

PS: Wait, reading again (and further into the paper), I realize you were referring to a separate task where they indeed used MTurk, separate from the one where they used Prolific. So adjust the above accordingly. Again, I would look into what kind of due diligence they mention having done in either the paper or the supplement (e.g. regarding a third task. coding faces by gender, for which they also used MTurker, they say that our results are robust to controlling for coder demographics and the rate of intercoder agreement). Regards, HaeB (talk) 06:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Oh, it's that paper. Well, I am ready to roll on the rest of the issue. it's 6:30 AM so hopefully that TK will TK soon --otherwise a nap mayhaps and then rolling? jp×g🗯️ 10:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

My apologies. I had already taken the latter advice ;) The review was mostly written already, but while looking further through the paper's replication data (to extract some illustrative non-cherry-picked examples to use in the review, from my own user talk page - i.e. this one...) I encountered what I'm now certain is yet another problem (non-existent or mis-attributed comments), in addition to the several methodical ones that the review is going to cover. I want to take a bit more time to check whether this is a more widespread data problem that may warrant mention in the review, or a fluke that just happened to affect my own talk page. But I don't want to hold up publication (and also need to move on to other things myself for a while), so let's postpone it for another month. I'll replace this placeholder with another already drafted item in a minute and then it should be ready to go.

Btw, another thing I found looking at the replication data is that warnings such as [13] were not counted as toxic for the purposes of the paper (while that one did indeed receive an extraordinarily high overall "toxicity" score of 0.239654, caused by the "threat" and "insult" subdimensions, that was still below the 0.8 threshold used in the authors' analysis). I'm glad to have checked that - would have quoted the result you got from the API in our discussion here instead. Will take some more time to figure out what's going on with these warnings too. (Had you removed wiki and HTML formatting - as described on p.6 of the paper - before passing it to the API? Sometimes language models get tripped up by this kind of thing.)

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