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Santa Teresa di Gallura

Ciao, ho visto le categorie che hai aggiunto a Santa Teresa di Gallura:

• Category:1821 establishments in Italy
• Category:States and territories established in 1821
• Category:Populated places established in 1808

Ho tolto le prime 2 perché ridondanti, si mette sempre la più specifica. Il 1822 comunque era un errore o ti volevi riferire a qualcosa di particolare? -- Basilicofresco (msg) 04:06, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Italians

Buongiorno Felisopus,

I changed the sentence about Sardinian Language, and added the corresponding reference. What I wanted to point out there is that since 1997 Sardinian has been added for the Italian State to the languages which are spoken in Italy, so that the Sardinians should be added to the other "alloglotti" (I don't know whether this term exist in English) in Italy which are mentioned above. I hope that this is OK for you. Ciao, Alex2006 (talk) 09:17, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Unreliable source

Hello
Please do not change Giovanni Cernogoraz biography page anymore with unreliable source. Source cited in some previous editings is unreliable and mostly irrelevant. Giovanni Cernogoraz has nothing to do with Italy, he just has Italian origin. That is confirmed by reliable sources.

Thank You for cooperation, Qwe144 (talk) 22:28, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Italian Source

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Find source in other language (e.g. English) which confirms his "Italian citizenship". His "Italian Citizenship" and "not knowing why he competes for Croatia" is not confirmed by any English or Croatian source, therefore that Italian source cited may be wrong. Please do not post potentially harassing information for Croatian people and Giovanni Cernogoraz himself.

In fact, there are more than two sources which denies Italian source. Source No. 5 at the Giovanni Cernogoraz's page and this biography overview. It is confirmed that he speaks Italian language, but nothing more than that. This source also confirms that he speaks Italian, but nothing more than that as well. So, please, do not post anything potentially harassing what might be wrong. Thank You, Qwe144 (talk) 08:14, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

It was not stated that "he is not Italian citizen" simply because that was never a question in that sources. Those are comprehensive biographies and they include loads of details. Moreover, there is not a single source (Eglish or Croatian, not even the ISSF of Olympic site) which confirms concerned Olympic pressconference, therefore all those "details and facts" cited in the Italian source are subject of further confirmation and should not be posted yet. Qwe144 (talk) 08:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

What about your facts, online article as well. This comprehensive biography was written by reliable source, written by professional. Find any other source for your statements please (e.g. English). I have more thasn 2 sources which denies Italian source.

Giovanni Cernogoraz

Please stop edit warring like you did at Giovanni Cernogoraz. No sources were removed, no personal attack was ever made and you are blowing this thing out of proportion. I will have to report you if you do not cease with edit-warring. Timbouctou (talk) 16:41, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Italians

I don't agree. Why we need to insert two Sardinians? I created a new image including people recognized all over the world, unlike Gramsci that even in Italy doesn't enjoy great fame, and not based on regionalism. --Enok (talk) 13:16, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I can replace Calvino with Deledda. Ok? --Enok (talk) 13:24, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Gramsci is certainly known in the world, but he is appreciated by people with a certain ideology rather than another. He isn't a "neutral" historical figure. --Enok (talk) 13:56, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I removed one novelist (Calvino) for another novelist (Deledda). I don't want to remove Rossi, because he is the only sportsman in the image. --Enok (talk) 14:39, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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Ladin language

Sorry Felisopus, but you mix a few things:

• "Ladins" is a political party which is out of place here
• ladins (like me!) are aware and convinced, that ours is a language, not an italian dialect, and this is accepted by common knowledge (see title of this article: "ladin language"
• the paragraph talks about the peaceful Austrian period, where the smooth "germanisation" and "italianisation" was peaceful, not to be confused with the forced italianisation during the fascist period
• there was not only the referendum in 2007, where Ampezzo and Livinallongo wanted to return to South Tyrol. The wish to be reunited dates back till the end of WWII, when South Tyrol was a poor province, and no economical reasons did apply. Today the economical situation is one more reason to leave Veneto, but it sure isn't the driving force.
• you ruined another sentence: "minority rights to be respected and minority languages ... to be protected". You cannot alter this into "minority or regional languages ... to be protected". That doesn't make sense!

Trying to avoid an edit-war I advise you to revert your changes yourself. Thanks.--Sajoch (talk) 21:56, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi.

• obviously the term Ladins refers to the Ladin People, not to a political party (and I know this party)
• this is not about personal or general opinions: the phrase refers to italian nationalists of the nineteenth century (so, their opinion), not about you in 2012. Not about the languages ​​recognized today.
• in my speech there are no comments (like smooth, forced, unforced) or dates. But there was a Germanization and must be mentioned.
• The sentence begins with "In a popular referendum in October 2007 ...", so the sentence refers to the referendum of 2007, with clear economic reasons. As written in the sources.
• feel free to correct any grammatical error.

Bye, --Felisopus (talk) 23:03, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry - I wanted to give you a chance to correct your errors yourself, but another editor was faster to revert your edits.

• You wrote "various Ladins exponents". I don't remember exponents from the party "Ladins" telling what you said.
• it's not my personal opinion - the addition about friulan, lombard and venetian dialects was yours, and unsourced. I restored the previous meaning of the sentence, and I'll add a source, as soon as I find one
• I said: if you insist on talking about the germanisation, you also have to mention the italianisation that took place in the same period (pre WWI). Or both or nothing - otherwise its a NNPOV
• There are two sources: the comment about "economic reasons" is only cited in one of them by means of an opinion(!) of the town-mayor,, who cited "various reasons" (spiega il sindaco: ... nel segreto dell'urna le motivazioni che potevano spingere le persone a votare in un modo piuttosto che nell'altro sarebbero state diverse: quelle storiche e culturali, ma anche quelle riferibili agli aspetti finanziari, amministrativi, burocratici, quelle del malessere della montagna e non solo). So it should be clear, this was not the main reason.

--Sajoch (talk) 23:49, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi.

• And I don't know what's the Ladin entity that makes this statement: a notion repeatedly rejected by the Ladins themselves.. It's ridiculous and it's unsourced.
• all the paragraph (I repeat: all the paragraph) is unsourced. If you like to remove all the paragraph, fine, not only the clarification.
• I don't "insist": Germanisation it's an historical fact. You can add whatever you want, but don't ask an absurd "bipartisan" censorship.
• You can add all the other (valid) reasons, you can't remove those contained in the sources. Half of the article talk about economics, as everyone knows. Bye. --Felisopus (talk) 09:46, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but it's not ideal to split the conversation among two pages- let's continue here, or start a new on the article's page - thanks.--Sajoch (talk) 10:24, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

To cut a long story short: you either start a discussion at the talk page of the article and try to find a consensus among the involved editors or I'll report you for continued edit warring. You edits have been reverted twice now with rationales in the edit summary line. Your additions are partly unsourced, partly pourly-written, partly unclear in their meaning, partly giving undue weight to loosely connected facts. --Mai-Sachme (talk) 12:36, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Ethnic groups in Italy

I suggest you to have a look at Category:Ethnic groups in Italy, to convince yourself, that there are many ethnic groups in Italy, and the Ladins are one of those.--Sajoch (talk) 11:46, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

It's completely uncontested that Ladins have developed a national ethnic identity in the 19th century. I added an academic source now. Anyway, Felisopus, I'm concerned... I see that you delete correct information you don't like, add at the same time unsourced information you deem to be correct, cite almost exclusively other wikipedia articles (ignoring WP:Reliable sources), start edit warring when your edits are contested... Where is this going to end? And do you really feel you have an adequate linguistic background to write English language encyclopedia articles? --Mai-Sachme (talk) 17:35, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Dear Felisopus. Thank you for your correct contributions. There are sources for every single contribution you made. Do not worry, many contributors are not native speaker. See you again!--Patavium (talk) 22:46, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Your additions contained grammatical mistakes, spelling mistakes and were completely unsourced. Given these circumstances a revert was not only an option but a duty.

I don't really understand, what you are trying to tell me about ethnic groups and nations. It's completely uncostested that Ladins are an ethnic group, as well... Therefore your categorizing them as Italian people was a bit... bizarre. Anyway, I'm glad that you stopped edit warring.

Please note that we are talking here about edit warring in the article Ladin language without previous discussions and not about the content of some additions (even though they were unsourced and at least partly wrong). But if you do feel the need to speak up there, please don't forget to mention your Wikipedia:Meat puppetry. Regards, --Mai-Sachme (talk) 08:13, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for this warning, very useful after my report. --Felisopus (talk) 09:07, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

What warning? What report? --Mai-Sachme (talk) 09:23, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Ethnic groups are the primary subject of ethnology and not of jurisprudence. It's an interesting fact, if a state recognises legally an ethnic group or not, but the non-recognition by a state doesn't mean that an ethnic group doesn't exist. Vice versa, when a state decides to introduce a legal framework for the recognition of ethnic groups (let's say Turkey finally acknowledges the existance of Kurds), this doesn't mean that Kurds didn't exist before that moment as an ethnic group.

I didn't ask you to investigate the sources of it.wiki. It's completely irrelevant what the Italian article says, that's unsourced hokum. It's sad that you made it obvious that you edited this article here without even knowing reliable scientific literature as to the topic. You must try to find sources before editing, and not afterwards. And it's even worse when you start an edit war without having sources...

What you read on Wikipedia:Meat puppetry (Communicating with other editors on Talk pages and User pages) is obviously referring to talk pages here and not somewhere else out there in the web. I rest my case.

You are not reported on that page, since you finally stopped to continue your edit warring. We are talking there about the behaviour of Patavium as you can see in the heading. I don't understand what's so difficult here: Everyone may edit, when they gets reverted with a rationale, they should start a discussion and try to find a solution based on reliable sources. If you want to discuss the ethnicity of Ladins, got to the talk page there and propose changes citing realiable sources. If you think the article about the Ladin language is biased, got to the talk page there and propose changes citing realiable sources. Very easy... --Mai-Sachme (talk) 09:23, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Local names of Cagliari

Well, this is a real problema, because the common popular name is "Casteddu" but, although in Sardinia has an official bilingual status, de facto de local language is not really used; even in toponimy there is not common statements. So Cagliari is the official toponimy, it is the italian grafic translation of the spanish pronunciation of the sardinian medioeval name Callari or Callaris. This is the romance language corruption of the latin name Caralis: the sinificance of this word is unknown. But people call the city Casteddu, from latin Castellum (castle) because the city has been in more than two millennia a powerful fortress with impressive walls and towers in the hill just upon the port. A real brein-teaser!! The municipality has not yet decided the name in sardinian language, so if you think that a single name is necessary, I think that this name will be "Casteddu", as people know the city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roburq (talk • contribs) 17:34, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Consistency in naming

Because you moved Trams in Sassari to ARST Metrosassari then why not move Cagliari light rail to ARST Metrocagliari, as shown by http://arst.sardegna.it/orari_e_autolinee/servizi_metroca.html the same authority? Sw2nd (talk) 09:05, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Sources

Are you able to find any English sources besides Wikipedia that state Yugoslavia and Italy "exchanged impunity" after World War II? Blackguard 19:01, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi. This is the main (only?) thesis in Foibe killings, Massacri delle foibe and Crimini di guerra italiani, I simply summarized (even the words of the President of Italy (!) (« [...] responsabilità dell'aver negato, o teso a ignorare, la verità per pregiudiziali ideologiche e cecità politica, e dell'averla rimossa per calcoli diplomatici e convenienze internazionali.») are clear). If it is incorrect, partial or wrong feel free to edit it. --Felisopus (talk) 09:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

All I'm asking is, are there any English sources not from Wikipedia? Blackguard 01:16, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Italia

Hello, I reverted your last edit to Italy (Ancient Rome). The article is about the political entity called "Italia" (a sort of special province of the Roman Empire). It's not about the history of the Italian peninsula and the military expansion of Rome through it.--Enok (talk) 21:43, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

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