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article for Unreal Media Server

Hello,

Trying to create an article for this popular software product. Gave references, still you have deleted it. Without having this article, I can not put Unreal Media Server in "streaming systems", "comparison of streaming media systems" articles; you keep deleting it.

Look at other entries in these articles: they are just like ours, articles about software products. Why can they have an article and we can't? Same amount of notability there. You either delete all of them or be consistent with your criteria. No justice right now, that's all I wanna say.

Hiyas there 98.242.76.129,

A few points here:

I only declined the AFC submission, your edits to the List of Streaming Media Systems was declined by J.M. as evident from that pages history. Having said that, i agree with the reverts he made, since it is simply linkspam.
Your arguments are WAX arguments. Stating that article X doesn't conform to a rule doesn't mean that is a justification for article Y not to either.
Your use of "Ours" is kind of a giveaway that you have a Conflict of interest with the subject. Please refer to that link if this is correct.

Kind regards, Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 06:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree with what you are saying; I am from Unreal Streaming Technologies and trying to have an entry for our product just like other companies have here. Not really a biggy if you still deny it. I think I agree with you that articles about product like ours should not be in Wikipedia at all. But then you should be consistent and remove thousands of similar articles about proprietary products. Take a look at this article: List_of_streaming_media_systems. This is all about proprietary software products. And this is really good article. People want to know differences between these products. But according to Wikipedia spirit, all individual products mentioned there, do not deserve having their own article, just like ours. Our product deserves to be in these tables in this article, that's for sure. But it can't, you call it "linkspam". I perfectly understand your standpoint defending wikipedia spirit; however, 1: if you really follow your philosophy, article "List_of_streaming_media_systems" wouldn't exist at all; and 2: you should treat other articles about proprietary products the same you treated ours.

Back when i reviewed your article, it contained no sources whatsoever, which is the reason why i quick-failed it. Note that most of my AFC reviews 's are quick fails due to the large backlog AFC has. Some pages clearly lack something that renders them impassable by default (No references, for example), yet due to the backlog it could take days before anyone notices an editor of a basic issue. So instead i tend to check the newer article's first in order to give someone feedback. Why is this relevant? Well, most new article's don't pass in one go. Instead the writer corrects the issue in it, and resubmits it. I see you added some references to the article, but didn't resubmit it for review. I would note that without resubmitting, it will not be reviewed again. Having said that - i normally don't review an article twice for the sake of multiple editor input, but i fear that in its current form, it would not pass. The references supplied are all download sites, and contain nothing but a download link for the product. If you wish it to pass, you should really look for something that counts as a reliable source. Didn't some magazine or tech website ever cover it? Those are the sources that are needed to make it pass.

As for the List_of_streaming_media_systems ; Are all products there notable? Some are, but quite a few aren't. Do they all have sourcing? No they don't, some have no references whatsoever. Why are they there then? Because they were written years ago. Some article's date back from 2006, before the entire notability policy even existed, hence they were "Mostly fine" back then. I am pretty certain someone will eventually take it upon him or herself to improve the list and list the now non-notable entries for removal, but as with all things that happens when a volunteer is interested in working on an article. As of now they still exist because wikipedia's self-cleaning power is best equipped to check new edits and article's, but isn't as effective at managing the old article's. Just see them breadcrumbs on the floor - either someone leaves them around or fetches a vacuum cleaner, but one doesn't intentionally fetch another bread to crumble and increase the pile.Problem right now is that few people care enough about the subject to spend time cleaning it up. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 18:28, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your explanations. I have added more references that should pass notability criteria. How to resubmit it for review? I don't know. Please review it. Don't really want it to be another breadcrumb on the floor, but you know, you can not find objective analysis of these quite complex networking products anywhere. The big magazines mostly publish vendor-sponsored reviews; there is no real place where a person can get a honest and independent technical comparision of products in this area.

Sadly, List_of_streaming_media_systems is really a best place as of now...I know it shouldn't be, but it is. In my opinion, there should be something like "TechMarketPedia", sponsored by W3C/consortium of industry giants, that will provide these unbiast commercial product reviews; and then Wikipedia can just focus on pure technical aspects of things. For example, it can have an article about what is "streaming" and a link to "TechMarketPedia" when it refers to real-world products that do "streaming". Just an idea.

I added the article back to the review queue, and its currently waiting to be reviewed by an editor (The queue is a tad long at the moment, so it might take a while). As mentioned i don't review the same article twice in order to allow fresh input from another editor, and to prevent tunnel vision. As for TechMarketPedia - why not. There are plenty of specific purpose Wiki's around besides the mediawiki foundation wiki's, and some are quite handy. I don't think it would fit Wikimedia's goals and purposes though, so it would likely have to be an external party who creates it. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 18:39, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Please do not remove this discussion from here because other editor who just declined the submission, wants to read it.

Review of article Ghost Bikes

Hello-thanks for reviewing my article on Ghost Mountain Bikes-would appreciate some advise as I have been through many edits now. I am simply translating an existing post on the German Wikipedia site which the last editor suggested I do verbatim. So the one you edited is of an exisitng post. I have added a few more references then the exisitng post has on the German site but I am still being asked to provide more third party references. The standard for notablity/references seems high in relation to the existing post on bike manufacturers. There are approximately 40 bike companies represented on the English Wikipedia but very few from Europe so I am trying to round out the representation of bike companies. Suggestions on how to get this listed. trooperlakeTrooperlake (talk) 23:57, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Hiyas there trooperlake,

I am afraid i am not to familiar with the German version of Wikipedia's guidelines and policies, as each Wikimedia wiki may have its own policies and guidelines (Though quite a few use the en.wiki's as a basis for their own). I am fairly certain that there is something similar to the notability policy on the German wiki as far as article's go. To put it simple: Every article must have veridiable and reliable sources for content that are independent of the subject. On the en.wiki these sources are the basis for the inclusion policy that states that an article can only be included if it can be supported by above mentioned sources.

The version of the article i reviewed didn't have any sources, except for Wikipedia article's. Those are specifically not reliable as they are tertiary sources (And because you can end up with the amusing situation where the German Wiki is a reference the English Wiki, Which in turn is a reference for the French Wiki, which in turn is a source for the German wiki again). I see that the older version of the article contained two references, but both aren't really passing the reliable sources guideline. The first one is a company profile, the second doesn't mention the word "Ghost" at all, which means i cannot see even a trivial mention of the company in it.

As to what to do - first ask yourself if the article can meet the inclusion criteria listed at WP:CORP. Truth be told - only a handful of companies manage to pass the notability criteria. Note though that these aren't solemnly the huge multinational companies - smaller niche companies can pass as well if they are "special" enough. If it can meet the criteria, the next step[ is to find above mentioned reliable sources that can verify article content, and your done. Even so, i would mention that the vast majority of companies aren't included - and i would dare say that a fair amount of the companies actually listed on Wikipedia are only there because no-one got around to cleaning them up so far. Sometimes a company just doesn't pass the bar no matter what you do. The best advice i have in that case is being critical, rather then spending time for naught. If you believe it can pass, go for it though :) Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 19:11, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Is this a sock puppet?

(Monday) Good evening Excirial,

Thank you for your helpful reply. I shall proceed with extreme caution. All excellent advice about using the keyboard will be taken on board. Hope your weekend break exceeded your expectations! I have every confidence in you to know that you would not have shown any bias. Keep well! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 18:03, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

(Tuesday) Good evening Excirial,

I made a revision this morning, and on visiting the IP's Talk page, saw your warning of April 30. A added a short warning below yours. Are the two editors on this 'diff' page, one and the same? -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 17:58, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Good afternoon Mr. Griffith-Jones,

It is quite likely, given the fact that the IP starts with 86. and because the edits are to a page few others edit on. It seems to be mostly a case where an editor forgot to log into his or her account. Techically taken the account was blocked that day, and based on the timestamp the block was present another 30 minutes or so on the time the edit was made. But well, seeing the edit was made two days ago i don't think any action is required (I like to think this was just a mistake). Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 17:53, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘(Friday) Good evening Excirial,

I have never been one to leave 'loose ends' and when I noticed an edit summary on my watchlist, stating " (Hardly vandalism, and I'm not a sockpuppet.)", I investigated further. To that effect, I have pursued the above in a friendly way ( if you are interested you will see my posts on this page ... olive branch ... ) and received this from the user this afternoon:-

No worries

I kind of presumed that was what happened. Large parts of 86.**.**.** are British Telecom's dynamic IPs, and BT is used by a huge proportion of British internet users, so it's easy enough to confuse. 86.** IP (talk) 14:01, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

If you go there, tell me what you think of my "template", which I made up ready for when I mess up using Huggle.

With best wishes, -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 16:32, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

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regarding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/The_Global_Information_Network_GIN

AFC

Hi, Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Fox Mandal isn't mine. I just added the tag for someone who was struggling to figure it out. The person to contact is User:Dhini francis. Thanks though. Pine^(talk) 19:55, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

User_talk:Dan653#Augusta_Viktoria_of_Schleswig-Holstein

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Augusta_Victoria_of_Schleswig-Holstein&diff=492784199&oldid=492784081 Should I tell them to take up the title with an admin, but until it is changed that it shall stay with an 'a'. Or do you have a better idea? Dan653 (talk) 01:46, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Vwegba4real

I am a relative newcomer to Wikipedia editing and, having evaluated an odd intervention by this user in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinners_in_the_Hands_of_an_Angry_God ,I checked out his history. In his original userpage,(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vwegba4real) he wrote "I was born premature on June 14, 1991 in Warri, Nigeria" which coincides with the information in the draft of the article for creation he proposed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vwegba4real/Oghenevwegba_Ogedegbe which contains
"He was born premature on June 14, 1991 in Warri, Nigeria. His father Simeon named him "Oghenevwegba" meaning "God has power", because he saw it as a miracle that his son survived not having been put in an incubator."

He has recently created: template:Oghenevwegba Ogedegbe. I feel an experienced administrator should review the whole situation and since you declined the AfC I thought I should raise the matter with you. Thanks! Jpacobb (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

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