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script-plotlength.js

Hi Alex... was trying to use your (very handy!) plot length script on From (TV series) and it didn't seem to be working—I just get a blank pop up instead of the plot length summary like it used to generate. If you have a chance, can you take a look? I'm wondering if maybe the changes you would have had to have made to the episode templates to accommodate the recent TV series naming convention change may have b0rked it? —Joeyconnick (talk) 19:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Joeyconnick Hey! Happy to help. I tested the script on that particular article and it seems to work for me - this is the result. There may be an error with the script through another browser (especially with the recent changes) - could I ask you to open your browser console (typically the F12 key), run the script, then see if any errors pop up and paste them here (or screenshot)? Cheers. -- Alex_21 _TALK 07:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Alex... I'm on the latest Chrome on macOS Sonoma 14.4.1.

Here's a screenshot of my console (after running the script).

And here's a look at my results when I run it (in dark mode). Empty results.

Just tried it on another page with episode summaries: The Flash season 1... same issue. —Joeyconnick (talk) 19:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

That's weird. No errors, and it works on the Flash article for me as well. I'll have to take a deep look into it over the weekend. -- Alex_21 _TALK 21:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Definitely no rush or pressure. —Joeyconnick (talk) 23:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Promotional images for Doctor Who episodes

Hi there, I noticed you uploaded promotional images for Space Babies and the Devil's Chord. However, you previously removed the promotional posters for all episodes in Series 9 and 10, and I wanted to clarify what policy you used as a basis for those as opposed to the new photos, as I would like to see those seasons with infobox images as well. Flabshoe1 (talk) 23:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can recall, those "promotional posters" across those episodes where actually simply screenshots of the episodes, as randomly chosen by an editor - those are not promotional posters. These are actually promotional posters, created released to promote each episode individually, exactly the same as every episode of Series 7 (bar "A Town Called Mercy", which adds contextual significance). -- Alex_21 _TALK 03:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that makes sense to avoid random screenshots. However, I notice that many of the images removed were not screenshots but actually specially made promotional posters made for the individual episode, while other promotional posters from the era still remain.

Pages with promotional posters:

• S8E2-E9, S8E12
• S9E2, S9E8, S9E12
• "The Husbands of River Song" and "The Return of Doctor Mysterio"

Pages missing promotional posters:

• S8E1 "Deep Breath" poster
• S8E10 "In the Forest of the Night" poster
• S8E11 "Dark Water" poster
• Special "Last Christmas" poster
• S9E1 "The Magician's Apprentice poster
• S9E3 "Under the Lake poster
• S9E5 "The Girl Who Died" poster
• S9E6 "The Woman Who Lived" poster
• S9E7 "The Zygon Invasion" poster
• S9E9 "Sleep No More" poster
• S9E10 "Face the Raven" poster
• S9E11 "Heaven Sent" poster
• S10E2 "Smile" poster
• S10E3 "Thin Ice" poster
• S10E5 "Oxygen" poster
• S10E6 "Extremis" poster
• S10E7 "The Pyramid at the End of the World" poster
• S10E8 "The Lie of the Land" poster
• S10E9 "Empress of Mars" poster
• S10E10 "The Eaters of Light" poster
• S10E11 "World Enough and Time" poster
• S10E12 "The Doctor Falls" poster

For the pages missing their promotional posters, I can go ahead and reupload them. Flabshoe1 (talk) Flabshoe1 (talk) 00:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

See, now there's a difference. Those are promotional images, which, yes, are released for every episode as part of the weekly marketing, and typically released with a multitude of other similar pictures (example), of which we would have to (again) pick one at random. They are not, however, promotional posters. One could look at any of those images for S8/S9/S10 randomly, and not be able to identify which episode is was released for. Do you see a difference between the S7 and S14 posters (here is the rest of S14's), and those images? Each poster immediately identifies the episode. "The Husbands of River Song" is a promotional image (and yes, should therefore be removed); "The Return of Doctor Mysterio" is absolutely a promotional poster. -- Alex_21 _TALK 08:24, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I argue that each poster is immediately identifiable to the specific episode as it contains elements exclusive to each episode, even lacking the accompanying text. Additionally, the poster is clearly differentiated from the other screenshots/images, as they are heavily edited with all the cast together posing, showing that rather than an image of a random scene it is a specially designed poster. Flabshoe1 (talk) 13:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) These are clearly not posters. They don't have the text that is expected to appear on a poster, they aren't in the typical poster shape, and they are very obviously promo shoot pictures which is a whole separate thing. - adamstom97 (talk) 13:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

1. "Typical poster shape". The accepted posters for all episodes in Series 7 are in the same shape (example: Asylum of the Daleks) so this has no bearing on the discussion.

2. "Obviously promo shoot pictures". The only thing that distinguishes these from other posters is the lack of text. For example, the accepted cover of Twice Upon a Time was initially released textless as a promotional image for the episode marketing just like these photos, but later used with text. Would you argue that this is a promo shoot picture and not a poster then? They are not wholly separate things as you say, but rather the same minus text.

I understand that these posters lack text, but that is the only distinguishing factor. In every other way, the photos are specially designed posters for each episode that immediately identify them. Flabshoe1 (talk) 14:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

The two examples you provided have been turned into posters. The other ones you provided have not. - adamstom97 (talk) 14:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I would like to back up adamstom here if you look at the text less poster for TUaT, you cant identify it as being that without already knowing the episode. Compare that with say Nightmare in Silver which has a poster which says "Nightmare in Silver" therefore being easily identifiable. I tried at random selecitng a promo image and identifing it knowing the episodes and I only got 3/5 of them. Some of these with prior knowledge you could guess like Smile, but Heaven sent is just a room. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Would you argue that this is a promo shoot picture and not a poster then? They are not wholly separate things as you say, but rather the same minus text. Absolutely. The textless image would simply be a promotional picture. The BBC then using it with text to directly advertise the episode, as it is currently used in the article, makes it a promotional poster. So yes, it's the text that makes the image/poster identifiable to the episode, as it means it is directly advertising that episode, rather than being a singular promo image out of another dozen. -- Alex_21 _TALK 21:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense to me, thanks for explaining it clearly and concisely. Flabshoe1 (talk) 13:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)