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Links to actors articles

I added to the template links to the actors' articles, but was swiftly reverted with the stated reason being that goes against consensus at WP:ACTOR. I would appreciate a direct quote from WP:ACTOR that explicitly prohibits it. All I can find at WP:ACTOR that remotely addresses this issue is the following paragraph:

Per extensive determinations of consensus as summarized here, navbox templates containing filmographies are not supported by this project. Such templates should be nominated for deletion as unusable. Note that filmography navbox templates for work by film directors are not covered by this consensus.

I fail to see how this sentence says that adding the names of the actors is prohibited. Is there another quote at WP:ACTOR that I missed?
However whatever (talk) 13:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

See TfD's here along with the following discussion. BOVINEBOY2008 :) 18:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps I wasn't clear: I'm looking for the specific quote which prohibits this inclusion. At the moment, I can't find anything. However whatever (talk) 21:02, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
There isn't a quote, there is a discussion about it. BOVINEBOY2008 :) 23:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Discussions are not policies. Therefore, unless you can clearly state why you object to including links to the articles in the template, I see no reason to exclude those links. Please note that "goes against consensus" is not a legitimate reason. I need a legitimate reason as to why those links should not be included. However whatever (talk) 00:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Consensus still should be observed, other wise what is the point? Try actually reading the discussion that took place. BOVINEBOY2008 :) 00:48, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

The burden is on you to specify the consensus. Telling me "go fish" is insufficient. If you agree with the consensus you should be able to paraphrase it, or at the very least, link to it. However whatever (talk) 00:50, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I linked to the discussion where the consensus was stated. Actors/crew members should not be included in navigation boxes. Navboxes are supposed to group together tightly related articles. Actors and crew members are not limited to one series or film. BOVINEBOY2008 :) 01:11, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Your links got me nowhere. Nonetheless, I don't see how linking to the pages of the actors deviates from the consensus "Navboxes are supposed to group together tightly related articles". Actors the the life of the series/film. They are therefore tightly related to the series/film, especially in the context that I presented them, using paranthesis after the name of the character.—Preceding unsigned comment added by However whatever (talk • contribs) 01:15, 12 February 2010
This link may be a bit better, sorry if the other wasn't working for you. I understand your reasoning, though. Actors are integral to the show for sure. But you can talk about a show without mentioning the actors at all. And we can run into trouble when a character is played multiple actors, do we include all of them? Or which one is more important, which could lead to issues in POV. Hope that makes sense. BOVINEBOY2008 :) 01:20, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Now I finally have something that I can follow.
First thing first, until it makes it to an official policy page, the consensus is non-binding, as it only applies to the page in question. Second, your slippery slope concern seems to be easily resolved with limiting the navbox to just actors whose characters have articles, and each actor would have to be listed alongside his/her character. When a character is played by multiple actors, they can all be listed (example, Lionel Jefferson played by Mike Evans and Damon Evans) However whatever (talk) 01:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I encourage you to bring it up on WT:ACTOR. But as far as I am concerned, since everything is debatable, there is nothing official other than policies established. So I think that consensus has been reached and I could point to several users who would agree. And of course characters with articles should be included, but that doesn't necessarily mean the actor is more notable than any other actor on the show. BOVINEBOY2008 :) 02:00, 12 February 2010 (UTC)