Template talk:Non-free logo

Edit request from FleetCommand, 22 April 2010

{{editprotected}} Greetings.

I'd like to propose the following changes to this template. The result of these changes can be seen in this template's sandbox here:[1]

Changes:

1. Upgraded emblems: I suggest that the old simple copyrighted sign and the old simple trademark signs to be replaced with NotCommons-emblem-registered-trademark.svg and NotCommons-emblem-copyrighted.svg.
2. Improve "To the uploader" section.

I believe these changes to be non-breaking improvements. If there is any problem or suggestion, please let me know.

Fleet Command (talk) 21:19, 22 April 2010 (UTC) Fleet Command (talk) 21:19, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me.  Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:32, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

You have my compliments for your swift reponse, MSGJ. Thank you. Fleet Command (talk) 22:57, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Hide template's rationale statement when rationale is already provided.

{{Editprotected}} I think it may be a good idea to change the entire code to what appears below.

Note, the code may look like one giant line here, but it appears organized when you view the source.

{{imbox |type = license |image = {{#ifeq:{{{regtrademark}}}|yes |[[File:NotCommons-emblem-registered-trademark.svg|50px|Registered trademark]] |[[File:NotCommons-emblem-copyrighted.svg|50px|Copyrighted]] }} |text = This is a '''[[logo]]''' of an organization, item, or event, and is protected by [[copyright]]{{#ifeq:{{{regtrademark}}}|yes| and [[trademark]]}}. It is believed that the use of '''low-resolution''' images on the [[en:wikipedia:Main Page|English-language Wikipedia]], hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit [[wmf:Home|Wikimedia Foundation]], of logos for certain uses involving identification and critical commentary may qualify as '''[[fair use]]''' under [[United States copyright law]]. '''Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be [[copyright infringement]].''' Certain commercial use of this image may also be trademark infringement. See [[Wikipedia:Non-free content]] and [[Wikipedia:Logos]]. {{#ifeq:{{{rationale}}}|yes||{{Non-free logo/uploader}}}} }} {{Non-free media}}<includeonly> [[Category:{{{1|Non-free logos}}}]]</includeonly><noinclude> {{Documentation}} <!-- PLEASE ADD CATEGORIES AND INTERWIKIS TO THE /doc SUBPAGE, THANKS --> </noinclude>

Future results:

When {{Non-free logo}}

When {{Non-free logo|rationale=yes}}

The reason...it's possibly redundant for some users to find "Please provide a rationale" when one is already provided.

mechamind90 06:18, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Polite request: could you please make use of this template's /sandbox and /testcases pages? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:10, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

 Not done at present - please test in sandbox and re-request. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 21:48, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Rosariot, 19 January 2011

{{edit protected}} The ABC-CLIO logo that you're using is outdated. Logo was updated in 2008, please check the website at www.abc-clio.com for an updated logo.

Thank you

Rosariot (talk) 21:54, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

 Not done - this has no relevance to this template. If a non-free logo is out of date in an article, simply upload the new logo (with the appropriate fair-use rationale) and tag the old one for deletion. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 23:04, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Template may be breaking Tlrow code on the WP:TMFN page

On the Wikipedia:Template messages/File namespace#Non-free images page, about half way down that section, after the row with {{Non-free logo}} in it, the rows in the table are appearing to be broken. I asked at WP:VPT#Tlrow template not working, and they referred me to here to request someone to fix this template, as the coding problem is way beyond my expertise. Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:31, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I have a fix for this which is a bit obscure, but it's based on the known workaround for navboxes. The template code has line breaks in the |below= parameter of the {{imbox}}, and so the whole of the parameter's value needs to be enclosed in dummy <div>...</div> tags. That is, alter this line

|below=<hr/>'''To the uploader:'''

to

|below=<div><hr/>'''To the uploader:'''

and after this line:

* A detailed ... may not necessarily apply.

add this line:

</div>

Note that the closing </div> must be on a line of its own. That should fix the table-breaking problem, but probably not the null-category one. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:45, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Should be all fixed now. — Edokter (talk) — 20:06, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Redrose64 & Edokter!! --Funandtrvl (talk) 20:14, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Mutually Exclusive with Template:SVG ?

I have seen places where this template is used, along with a fair use rationale including text such as "It is a low resolution image, and thus not suitable for production of counterfeit goods." followed by {{SVG}}. Surely these two are mutually exclusive? Can someone run a bot to find out how many fair use images are uploaded in SVG format, and how many have the convert to SVG template affixed? — Nicholas (reply) @ 09:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Delink images

Delink the images (add "|link=" to both image entries). — Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 00:49, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Not done: Both images are licensed under the GPL, which requires that the notice that the work is covered by the GPL be attached, which is done by linking the image to the image description page. Anomie⚔ 02:13, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Bupa Logo Edit request on 2 April 2012

Hello,

I represent Bupa (graeme.cole@bupa.com)

We've a new logo for Bupa, which is located here: http://www.bupa.com/media/349573/bupa-logo-square-digital-cyan_jpg.jpeg

It can be viewed on the homepage at http://www.bupa.com

Could I request it is updated please.

Many thanks, Graeme

Graemebupa (talk) 12:25, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Not done: This page is for discussion and requests about Template:Non-free logo. To request that any particular logo be updated, please make the request at the talk page for the article using the logo or the talk page for the logo file itself. Anomie⚔ 16:24, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Prevent usage in some namespaces

This is not a biggie but the template is used on user talk pages as well as other namespaces where it does not belong. It clutters up Category:Non-free logos (I have now tidied out a stack of these instances). Can the template be edited so that it throws up n error is used on pages that are not in file namespace? Or at least prevent it from showing up in Category:Non-free logos. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:54, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

It shouldn't be transcluded anywhere that is not a File: page. If you find it being transcluded in any other namespace, either remove it or turn it into a link using {{tlx}}, i.e {{tlx|Non-free logo}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

That's what I have been doing. Well I have actually be using <no wiki></no wiki>. It will be an ongoing problem so code should be added as a solution. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 03:21, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 December 2012

As far as I can tell, the change to this template made by SchuminWeb on November 19 was never discussed, and thus there was no consensus for it established. This makes it a Bold edit. I would like to take the next step in WP:BRD and Revert it, but I cannot, since I am not an admin. Therefore I request that an admin revert SchuminWeb's edit of November 19. Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:00, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Please see my comment at Template talk:Non-free video game cover#Edit request on 17 December 2012. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:03, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Done. See discussion at User talk:SchuminWeb#Changes in the wording of "Non-free" templates. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 10:38, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 11 December 2013 - Coats logo

Hello - I would like to make a request to edit the Logo currently used on the Coats PLC page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coats_logo.svg

The logo is inaccurate and the source web address no longer exists. See www.coats.com instead

Thanks Obzie (talk) 18:23, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the template {{Non-free logo}}. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. The image File:Coats logo.svg is used only at Coats PLC, the talk page for which is Talk:Coats PLC. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:57, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 15 January 2015

I want to add a parameter for non-registered trademarks. Philroc^{My contribs} 17:31, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 18:07, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

@Technical 13: See source for Template:Non-free logo/sandbox. Philroc^{My contribs} 15:57, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• Philroc, TESTCASEs? Feel free to reopen this request with a clear description of the edit you want made and a set of proper testcases for whomever carries it out to compare. Thanks. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 16:14, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• @Technical 13: OK, change this:

{{imbox
 |type  = license
 |image = {{#ifeq:{{{regtrademark}}}|yes
  |[[File:NotCommons-emblem-registered-trademark.svg|50px|Registered trademark]]
  |[[File:NotCommons-emblem-copyrighted.svg|50px|Copyrighted]]
 }}

to this:

{{imbox
 |type  = license
 |image = {{#ifeq:{{{regtrademark}}}|yes
  |[[File:NotCommons-emblem-registered-trademark.svg|50px|Registered trademark]]
  |{{#ifeq:{{{nonregtrademark}}}|yes|[[File:NotCommons-emblem-nonregistered-trademark.svg|50px|Non-registered trademark]]|[[File:NotCommons-emblem-copyrighted.svg|50px|Copyrighted]]}}
 }}

, and change this:

|text  = This is a '''[[logo]]''' of an organization, item, or event, and is protected by [[copyright]]{{#ifeq:{{{regtrademark}}}|yes| and [[trademark]]}}.</code> 
to this: <code>|text  = This is a '''[[logo]]''' of an organization, item, or event, and is protected by [[copyright]]{{#ifeq:{{{regtrademark}}}|yes| and [[trademark]]}}{{#ifeq:{{{nonregtrademark}}}|yes| and [[trademark|a nonregistered trademark]]}}.

Template:Non-free logo/testcases

Hope that helps! Philroc^{My contribs} 17:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• Helps a lot. Looks like you are generally on the right track. Template:Non-free_logo/testcases#nonregtrademark.3DYES_2 fails though. May I suggest looking into and using {{Yesno}}? — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 17:36, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
• @Technical 13: Is the request accepted or not? Philroc^{My contribs} 19:04, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Phil, it will be once it is fixed and not broken. :> This is collaboration at work to make it do what you want and work right for everyone. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 19:23, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
    • @Technical 13: How is it "broken"? Philroc^{My contribs} 20:58, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
      • Phil, see Template:Non-free_logo/testcases#nonregtrademark.3DYES_2. |nonregtrademark=YES (and for that matter, |nonregtrademark=Yes, |nonregtrademark=Y, |nonregtrademark=y, and |nonregtrademark=1 as well) do not work as expected. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 22:00, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
        • @Technical 13: But the parameter regtrademark doesn't use Yesno, so why should this parameter use Yesno? Philroc^{My contribs} 13:21, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
          • Philroc, maybe they should both use Yesno? If you want to work that into the sandbox I'll update it as soon as your done, otherwise I'll try to do it myself tonight. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 14:46, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
            • @Technical 13: OK, now it displays the text for the regtrademark parameter as default. Philroc^{My contribs} 14:56, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
              • Philroc, I've updated the sandbox with what I meant and I've requested the level of protection lowered on this template so I can make the changes. I've also reopened the request so maybe an admin will just apply the sandbox changes. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 15:46, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
•  Done Sandbox content copied over old template code. This is transcluded too much for FPP>TPP. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 22:03, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

• It seems HJ Mitchell went ahead and did the protection downgrade before I could get to RFPP and respond to it, and it's no big deal either way, 130k transclusions was just a bit much for me to feel comfortable taking the responsibility for it. :p ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 22:19, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
  • I don't see a problem.  Template editor's are pretty well filtered by Mr. Stradivarius and Xaosflux on the permissions request page. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 22:22, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
    • After re-reading WP:TPROT I see that it is indeed recommended to replace FPP with TPP "on pages that are merely protected due to high transclusion rates, rather than content disputes"; I'll keep that in mind in the future. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 22:38, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 14 October 2015

Want to update my company logo to this thumb|Tun Media AS_logo Tun Media (talk) 08:57, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done: That doesn't require a change to the template. You also have a conflict of interest. Bazj (talk) 10:32, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Category code

This template contains code for both Category:All non-free logos and Category:Non-free logos; however, as far as I can tell, there is no way to categorize directly into Category:Non-free logos except to insert {{Non-free logo|Non-free logos}}. So, I wonder:

• What is the purpose of Category:All non-free logos? Do we need it? It appears to be the only "All non-free [X]" media holding category other than Category:All non-free media itself.
• Should we change:

{{file other|{{#if:{{{1|}}}|[[Category:{{{1}}}]]|[[Category:All non-free logos]]|[[Category:Non-free logos]]}}|}}</includeonly><noinclude>

to:

{{file other|{{#if:{{{1|}}}|[[Category:{{{1}}}]]|[[Category:All non-free logos]]}}|}}</includeonly><noinclude>

-- Black Falcon ^(talk) 20:45, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

I wonder if a WP:CFD discussion would be warranted for this. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:39, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

To delete Category:All non-free logos (1st bullet above), probably. To remove the category code for Category:Non-free logos (2nd bullet above), probably not, since that change would not empty the category. I guess I hoped to gain some insight into why Category:All non-free logos was created in the first place. Thanks, -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 17:37, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

The issue described above appears to have mostly resolved itself, leaving just about 30 files remaining in Category:Non-free logos—mainly due to an unintended byproduct of this template's conditional category logic whereby specifying a parameter {{{1}}} suppresses Category:All non-free logos. To address this, I suggest changing:

{{file other|{{#if:{{{1|}}}|[[Category:{{{1}}}]]|[[Category:All non-free logos]]|[[Category:Non-free logos]]}}|}}</includeonly><noinclude>

to:

{{file other|{{#if:{{{1|}}}|[[Category:{{{1}}}]][[Category:All non-free logos]]|[[Category:All non-free logos]]}}|}}</includeonly><noinclude>

-- Black Falcon ^(talk) 03:54, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Black Falcon, I can't figure out why someone with the tools raises this as an edit request rather than just doing it. But, dealing with the request as any other...

 Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES. Cabayi (talk) 08:01, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Mainly out of a preponderance of caution, wanting someone else to verify my proposed change did not break anything... but now that I have tested it in the sandbox (and preview-tested the two versions in the file namespace), I will go ahead and make the change. Thanks, -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 14:57, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

I also updated the template documentation to address categorization. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 15:17, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 29 January 2020

This template can be switched to use {{Uploader information}} if a change in the structure of the bulleted list is acceptable; I've drafted a new version of the template at Template:Non-free logo/sandbox. Yes, I know I can edit this template myself, but I'd like at least one other person agreeing. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:26, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:48, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 13 March 2020

The categorization for the template itself into Category:Non-free logos should be removed for obvious reasons. Jonteemil (talk) 07:08, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

• Jonteemil  Not done: {{edit template-protected}} is usually not required for edits to the documentation, categories, or interlanguage links of templates using a documentation subpage. Use the 'edit' link at the top of the green "Template documentation" box to edit the documentation subpage. Cabayi (talk) 13:12, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

To editor Jonteemil: it is customary on Wikipedia for templates to be placed into their main categories using a pipe and a space at the end of the category name. The template is therefore entered at the top of the category list. Please do not remove [[Category:Non-free logos| ]] from the documentation. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 13:24, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

To editor Jonteemil: I was wrong about the main category for this template, which is Category:All non-free logos (not Category:Non-free logos). The adjustment you requested has been  done. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 15:03, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth: Okay, thanks for the explaination.Jonteemil (talk) 15:05, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

"It is believed"

"It is believed that" is made redundant by the later "may qualify as". Its purpose is unclear, anyway. If it's to imply some sort of dubiety about the legal status of all fair use images on Wikipedia, then it's probably better to say "According to WMF Legal" or something like that. But I don't think there's much doubt (and it still falls under "may qualify as"). If it's to imply that this particular image does not qualify under fair use, then it's definitely made redundant. Could it be removed? Cheers, Ovinus (talk) 17:39, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done since no-one else objected and that truly was poor phrasing Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 10:21, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Edit request: change non-free link

Proposal:

Change the link from non-free use (free content) to non-free use (Wikipedia page on non-free content).

Reasoning:

I found the overall template language and the two links in this particular sentence confusing: "logos [...] may qualify as non-free use under the Copyright Law." I couldn't tell right away if using the logo was restricted since the words "protected," "copyright," "qualify," and "non-free" seem to be at odds with each other.

Clicking on either link and searching for the words "non-free" turn up nothing. I then researched what "non-free" means. What we're trying to say is that this logo qualifies for a non-free use exception. Changing the link to the Wikipedia page on non-free content criteria would clarify this. Philosophistry (talk) 09:52, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

 Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 14:17, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Problem?

Um, this template seems to be accepting any input for the |image has rationale= parameter and categorizing the file into Category:Wikipedia non-free files with NFUR stated ,see User:Minorax/sandbox/fairuse. Unsure what might be causing it though, think that it's something in {{Yesno}} (might be the no parameter). --Minorax^«¦talk¦» 13:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

The way it's implemented is to check if the input is empty or no. Logically it would be better to use {{Yesno-no}}, which I've updated. SWinxy (talk) 19:21, 3 January 2024 (UTC)