Template talk:Infobox U.S. legislation
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"Titles amended" = ??
Does anyone know what "Titles amended" refers to? Does this refer to the USC titles that were amended? - Ta bu shi da yu 02:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Bill not yet passed?
What do we do with a bill that has not yet been voted on/passed? For example, FAIR USE Act. --Briguyd 01:02, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think we can use this box for that... it might be worthwhile sitting down and working out what is needed for an infobox for current and past bills. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Updating
Shouldn't this be updated to use the Template:United States legal citation templates? Currently, a URL to the public law must be given manually, and the Template:USPL and freinds can't be used. What's the way to go about changing this? Int21h (talk) 04:05, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Bills, revisited
Because of lack of information in the public, people often think bills before Congress have already become law. The misapprehension is compounded by the way we name articles. Instead of calling something the "X Bill", we call it the "X Act" before it is enacted. Whether that is nonetheless wise is certainly debatable, but editors also use this infobox for bills. Unfortunately, the infobox is wholly unsuitable for bills. In the top section it says, "Enacted by the [Xth United States Congress]" and provides no indication of current status or recent changes in status. These aren't failings, obviously, as this template was never intended to apply to bills. However, the situation needs to be addressed. Is the better solution to amend this template to be more inclusive or to create a new one for bills? -Rrius (talk) 02:32, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- I'm a little disappointed that no one has commented yet. This is not something where I feel comfortable simply making the changes because there are three distinct tracks, each of which demands significant changes to this template and its tranclusions. The first way to deal with this is to add parameters that would make it flexible enough to handle acts, as is currently the case, and bills and joint resolutions. These would be fairly complex and would require employing a switch like "enacted=yes/no" with a default of "yes" for the benefit of most of the transclusions (and perhaps with a third option of "failed" for bills from previous Congresses). As a result, it would be necessary to comb through the transclusions and convert appropriate bills to "enacted=no" (or "failed"). Bills with "enacted=no" should include "(Proposed)" after the short title at the top, should replace "Enacted by" with "Proposed during" or the like, and shouldn't include any section other than the Legislative history one as it will necessarily lack information for the others.
- A second method is to add a new template for bills. Since there is already a {{USBill}}, naming is an issue. The most obvious keyword would be "legislation", which could cause confusion with this template. While it would be entirely possible to put the new template at {{Infobox U.S. bill}}, the cleanest solution would be to move this to {{Infobox Act}} because it would make it clear that this template is only for passed laws. No matter which name is used, we would, again, need to comb through the tranclusions, this time to change the infobox for bills.
- Finally, we could simply remove the infobox from all proposed legislation (perhaps by commenting it out so that the information is still there in case it passes). This too would require combing through the transclusions so that we could remove the infobox.
- I'm perfectly willing to do the work, I just want some indication of the direction in which other editors want to go. -Rrius (talk) 21:25, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
- The first method appears to be more convenient for editors, as the legislative history would be maintained if a bill was enacted. But otherwise I think any of the three choices are reasonable. Whatever choice is selected, I would appreciate a legend or similar documentation for the infobox. I struggled to use this infobox when I first started, and some of the parameters worked differently than I thought they would. Moreau1 (talk) 02:53, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Presidential veto and override
The box needs parameters for veto and override, for enacted legislation. I did a workaround for a veto/override at Clean Water Act, but the default text displays "Signed into law by President" which is not correct. I suggest the following new parameters:
- Veto by President (Presidentvetodate= )
- Override by House (Overridehousedate= ) (Overridevotehouse= )
- Override by Senate (Overridesenatedate= ) (Overridevotesenate= )
If possible, it should flag an error if both "signedpresident" and veto/override parameters are entered. These are the essential parameters. Other parameters could be added for the situation when a bill becomes law without the President's signature, and for a veto situation there could also be a parameter for the date the President returned the bill to Congress. (See Veto for description.).
Thank you in advance! Moreau1 (talk) 20:22, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
- If we were to do such a thing, I think we should be able to vary which house comes first as bills return to the originating house, which is not always the House of Representatives. This is in line with the other parameters for this template. Therefore, I suggest these as the parameters:
- vetodate=
- overridebody1=
- overridedate1=
- overridevote1=
- overridebody2=
- overridedate2=
- overridevote2=
- -Rrius (talk) 20:44, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
- That looks good to me. Moreau1 (talk) 02:53, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
- Agreeing with the ideas above, I have added fields for when a bill is passed without presidential signing or when it is passed by overriding a presidential veto. To be consistent with the other fields, I've used the past tense ('vetoed' / 'overridden'). Note, however, that there are no flags if more than one method of passage is used. See the documentation for the updated list. --Allstar86 (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- That looks good to me. Moreau1 (talk) 02:53, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Broken citation function
The "cite public law = " parameter is not displaying the label. (For example, see Clean Air Act (United States)). Can someone fix? Thanks. Moreau1 (talk) 05:39, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
