Template:Did you know nominations/Dharmender Singh

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The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 20:59, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Dharmender Singh edit

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~~... that a police case was registered against Aam Aadmi Party legislature Dharmender Singh for molesting a woman?~~
ALT: ~~... that AAP politician Dharmender Singh allegedly burst firecrackers outside the house of Veer Singh Dhingan and molested his wife after defeating him in the 2013 Delhi election?~~

Reviewed: Aciliu Viaduct

Created/expanded by Bill william compton (talk). Self nominated at 15:49, 13 December 2013 (UTC).

Size, date and QPQ okay. However, I'm unconvinced with the hook. Filing a police case against a politician for molesting a woman in a country like India isn't a big deal. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 18:19, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Really? Well, it's kind of "big deal" in the English speaking world. He is in the news due to this incident, so I think hook should reflect it. I've suggested the alternative. — Bill william compton^Talk 14:57, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

It would be interesting if he gets an imprisonment for the act, otherwise it's just a news. If there is dedicated "ITN" thread for India-related articles it would go there. ALT1 looks interesting. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 06:35, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Vensatry, interestingness is a matter of personal opinion and what might interest some, might not be very exciting for another. I find him bursting firecrackers outside the house of his opponent and molesting his wife more interesting than his sister being killed in a hit and run. You say molesting a woman in India "isn't a big deal", but I believe (from my experience of writing several articles on Indian politicians) that nepotism is much more common in India than female molestation cases. ALT hook sounds catchy to me. I'm asking another review for the ALT as I didn't suggest ALT1. — Bill william compton^Talk 12:27, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't see the ALT above. Agree with the personal interest thing, anyways now it certainly looks like an interesting one. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 17:19, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

@ Bill william compton: I added ALT1 to avoid negative aspect of the living people which is one of the DYK rules, because I had little experience here. --Gfosankar (talk) 03:58, 16 December 2013 (UTC)--Gfosankar (talk) 03:58, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

ALT1: ~~... that Dharmender Singh contested for 2013 Delhi election after his sister Santosh Koli died in a hit and run accident?~~ --Gfosankar (talk) 14:26, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

~~All set with ALT1 —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 06:35, 15 December 2013 (UTC)~~

I have just struck the original hook and the plain ALT for BLP and neutrality concerns ("alleged" is always a bad sign); since Vensatry's most recent tick for ALT1 was struck, I'm not sure where this stands. Since the other two hooks are not acceptable, a new review of ALT1 is needed, or additional hooks can be proposed in its place. Note: I have not checked the article regarding the strict biographies of living persons standards; whoever reviews this nomination must take them into account. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:14, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
He is mainly in the news for these three hooks. As long as they are reliably sourced without giving undue weight there shouldn't be any problem. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 17:26, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

ALT2: ~~... that an FIR was registered against AAP politician Dharmender Singh for molesting the wife of his 2013 Delhi election opponent Veer Singh Dhingan?~~

I'm not in favor of ALT1 because it sounds very boring. Anyway, I'm all ears for suggestions. — Bill william compton^Talk 15:54, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Anyone reading ALT2 would assume that Singh definitely molested Dhingan's wife, given the wording. Has this been proven? If not, the hook is a clear WP:BLP violation, and completely ineligible for DYK. Note that ALT1 might be made more interesting if it pointed out that Santosh Koli had been the official candidate, but Singh ran for the seat after her death. Perhaps changing the text starting with "after" to be "after the original candidate, his sister Santosh Koli, died" (or "after his party's original candidate"). BlueMoonset (talk) 07:43, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

The investigation is still ongoing, but this is for sure that a First Information Report has been registered against Singh, which exactly this hook is telling. But I'm not going to argue what should be censored and what shouldn't, so as per your suggestion:
ALT3: ... that AAP politician Dharmender Singh contested for 2013 Delhi election after the original candidate, his sister Santosh Koli, died in a hit and run accident? — Bill william compton^Talk 14:35, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

I thought ALT1 was supposed to convey the same. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 14:56, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Vensatry, ALT1 didn't do as good a job at conveying this information as ALT3 does (it was missing the fact that Santosh had been the candidate before her death); it's now struck. I've also struck ALT2, due to the BLP issues noted. ALT3 needs to be reviewed, and the article should be checked to be sure it meets the DYK criteria for neutrality and meets BLP rules for articles. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:24, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

The first line of the third para (in political career) which talks about his lack of political experience and "one of the poorest candidates" is a serious BLP violation as it is unsourced. Secondly, WP:PUBLICFIGURE states that, "if an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article". In this case, you should also include what the sources fully say: like what was Arvind Kejriwal's take on this incident and Koli denying the allegations and also what the witnesses say. Rest all looks okay. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 06:42, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

This fact was added by Sitush, but I've provided a citation for the claim. Rest all is done. — Bill william compton^Talk 08:49, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Even if sourced phrases like "one of the poorest candidates" seems like a POV; you may use quotes with an attribution to the author. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 13:14, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't know how to rephrase this sentence to make it look less POV, but it's required to explain why Singh's campaign was funded by the party. There is no "author" to attribute for; it's an inference from the Times of India report. Vensatry please go ahead and make the necessary changes as you wish. — Bill william compton^Talk 15:04, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

That was a small misunderstanding from my point of view. IMO, the article looks fine. All set with ALT3 —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 16:20, 28 December 2013 (UTC)