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Cotton trade edit
This article is interesting giving better input on Lincoln, Grant, and the cotton trade.
- "In an ironic twist, General Grant saw and condemned the corruption inherent in the trade, but later he became renown for an administration characterized by his associates' corruption. Lincoln oversaw a system whereby his associates gained even at the possible cost of prolonging the war, but we revere him as "Honest" Abe. Lincoln was at least sensitive to the potential scandal from the cotton trade. On some instances he refused to issue permits because of the impropriety involved. Still, the cotton trade, with its attendant profitability, probably posed too great a temptation for any set of men to avoid some sinful behavior; Lincoln was not surrounded by saints."
- Source: Traders or Traitors: Northern Cotton Trading During the Civil War David G. Surdam (1999) Department of Economics Loyola University of Chicago
Long article edit
What areas of the article are too long? There was a tag added to the article saying the article was too long. Thanks. Cmguy777 (talk) 02:41, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- The editor that placed that tag has placed them on several articles. It's frustrating when someone places such a "drive-by" tag without doing enough analysis even to suggest ways of shortening the article. I say this while acknowledging that the article ought to be shorter. But someone has to sit down with it and figure out how that's going to happen. Bruce leverett (talk) 04:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- The Civil War and presidency sections are the areas that would benefit most significantly, although the rest should not be neglected. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:49, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- This article may be too long to read and navigate comfortably.
- Please consider splitting content into sub-articles, condensing it, or adding subheadings. 152.166.156.103 (talk) 15:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- To be totally clear, this is currently the longest featured article on the site by a wide margin. 18k words is well past the point where one should really be miffed about drive-by tagging, imo. Remsense诉 15:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Correction: it's #2, behind Douglas MacArthur (19.2k) and ahead of History of Poland (1945–1989) (17.2k). Remsense诉 15:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am sincerely thankful for, as well as amused by, this bit of trivia. But again, we are in drive-by mode.
- This article became FA in March of 2015 (long before I was involved). I don't know what the word count was back then, but the source size was about 134K bytes, whereas now, 9 years and more than 8K edits later, it is closer to 228K bytes, and the word count is 19K. How much better is the article for all that labor and additional text? Well, in Wikipedia, you can't officially get any better than FA.
- Bloat doesn't happen by itself. Every superfluous sentence was added by an editor who thought it was necessary, and in most cases, these were experienced editors, and some of them are still around, still keeping an eye on the article. Everything that is removed to get down to "reasonable" size is going to be fought for. Bruce leverett (talk) 23:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've added something which should honestly be on every substantial article's talk page, which just shows the byte count per section, it's a good grounding mechanism. Remsense诉 02:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Correction: it's #2, behind Douglas MacArthur (19.2k) and ahead of History of Poland (1945–1989) (17.2k). Remsense诉 15:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- As an older editor on this article, I think it's great, some editors are pairing it down. Alanscottwalker (talk) 18:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2024 edit
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In the "Surrender of Lee and Union victory (1865)" subsection of the Civil War section, there is a photo with a caption, the caption should be changed from "Defeated by Grant, Lee surrendered at the Appomattox Court House." to "Defeated by Grant, Lee surrendered at Appomattox Court House." or "Defeated by Grant, Lee surrendered at the McLean house at Appomattox Court House."
Appomattox Court House is the name of the town where the surrender took place, not the name of the building where the surrender took place, so saying "the Appomattox Court House" is incorrect here.
Thanks!
Dylan Dglenn26 (talk) 22:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done Egsan Bacon (talk) 22:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)