Talk:Idiopathic ulnar neuropathy at the elbow

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Pain is not a characteristic symptom of ulnar nerve entrapment. The hallmark symptom is paresthesia. Paresthesia can be uncomfortable, but it is distinct from pain.

The most common, idiopathic form of ulnar neuropathy at the elbow is more likely an existing structure of of the cubital tunnel (genetic). Idiopathic UNE does not arise from a change. So the language "becomes trapped" is misleading. Ischyros7 (talk) 21:16, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Title change -> ulnar neuropathy at the elbow?

Important to keep the elbow and wrist versions of ulnar neuropathy completely separate. They are very different entities. And it is better to refer to the pathophysiology. There is some evidence that traction might play a role in addition to pressure ("Entrapment"). Also "entrapment" is not the best choice of words because the nerve normally runs through the cubital tunnel and that is a good thing. Ulnar neuropathy at the elbow is just a tunnel that is a little narrow. But "entrapment" sounds sinister and abnormal. Ischyros7 (talk) 17:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I am planning to change the title for the reasons detailed above. Please respond to this message to discuss. Ischyros7 (talk) 22:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Whether the article is titled something like "ulnar nerve compression", "ulnar nerve entrapment", "ulnar neuralgia" or "ulnar neuropathy" should be on the basis of which one is most frequently used terminology among physicians and medical researchers. I do not think the decision should ever be influenced by how certain words sound. The term "nerve entrapment" is used precisely because it doesn't suggest a singular cause like "nerve compression" does. I don't have strong opinions on the article name beyond removing the word "idiopathic" as it's an unnecessary descriptor for the subject. Snake playing a saxaphone (talk) 23:50, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Injury and common scenario discussion under "Etiology"

Injuries should be considered separately from idiopathic compressive ulnar neuropathy at the elbow. It's confusing to consider traumatic and atraumatic neuropathy together in the same web page.

Additionally, there is no evidence of a causal link between any activity and compressive neuropathy. Some of those listed could be activities associated with symptoms, but that's different from cause. Unecomeditor1 (talk) 19:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

"Ulnar Tunnel Syndrome" section

Because ulnar neuropathy at the wrist (Guyon canal) is quite different from idiopathic ulnar neuropathy at the cubital tunnel, it should have it's own page.

Wrist and elbow should be separate pages. Trauma and non-trauma should be separate pages. Unecomeditor1 (talk) 19:40, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 13 June 2024

Idiopathic ulnar neuropathy at the elbow → Ulnar neuropathy at the elbow – Undiscussed page move, mostly has a cause. Also previously mentioned on talk page Iztwoz (talk) 09:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Support. The name Ulnar neuropathy at the elbow is more generalized and is most likely what the reader is looking for when they search the term while idiopathic ulnar neuropathy at the elbow is more specefic and the idiopathic nature can be covered elsewhere in the article. CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (talk) 02:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). ASUKITE 13:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Opened as this was requested as a revert at WP:RM/TR, but from reading the talk page it appears this page might benefit from a discussion (please feel free to submit alternatives with a valid argument if you have a better option, and note that I am not the nom)

Note: WikiProject Medicine has been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 13:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• I think that moving it to the more generic name is reasonable. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)