Talk:Tibet

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2023

I want to change some necessary stuff in this wiki page to give readers more accurate information please thankyou. KINGOFSOCCER123 (talk) 20:41, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —C.Fred (talk) 20:47, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Tibet means Tibet Autonomous Region

Tibet 西藏 commonly means Tibet Autonomous Region, similarly China means PRC, the Tibet Autonomous Region page should become Tibet page, this page should become new page Tibetan Region 藏区. Toto11zi (talk) 21:05, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

There is another page on Tibet Autonomous Region. If you want that page to be renamed as "Tibet", you need to gather sources and file a WP:RfM on its talk page. You would also need to propose a new title for this page, perhaps Tibet region or something like that. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Good comment, let me add move notice on both current "Tibet" page, and the other "Tibet Autonomous Region" before moving. Toto11zi (talk) 02:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Page move, please add if you have more ideas.

Tibet 西藏 commonly means Tibet Autonomous Region, similarly China means PRC, the Tibet Autonomous Region page should become Tibet page, current Tibet page should become new page Tibetan Area (or Tibet Region, or Greater Tibet) 藏区. Both current titles "Tibet" and "Tibet Autonomous Region" do not follow Wikipedia's naming conventions, such as that it is not the common name of the subject. Some common links show that common meaning of Tibet is Tibet Autonomous Region:

Google map

Tibet means Tibet Autonomous Region

Bing map

Tibet means Tibet Autonomous Region

Travel agency of Tibet

Tibet Autonomous Region is one of the autonomous regions of the People's Republic of China and is commonly abbreviated as Xizang (Tibet).

The Tibetan Area (or Tibetan Region) is a broader geographical concept

Dalai Lama's statement

Tibet is a part of the People's Republic of China. It is an autonomous region of the People's Republic of China.

U.S. policy toward Tibet

The United States considers the Tibet Autonomous Region or TAR (hereafter referred to as "Tibet") as part of the People's Republic of China.

Britannica

Tibet, historic region and autonomous region of China that is often called “the roof of the world.”

Toto11zi (talk) 02:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 29 May 2024

• Tibet → Greater Tibet
• Tibet Autonomous Region → Tibet

– Tibet commonly means Tibet Autonomous Region, more info and common links can be found in Talk page of Tibet, also Talk page of Tibet Autonomous Region, current Tibet page can be moved to Greater Tibet Toto11zi (talk) 14:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. None of the sources above are supportive of the claim. Nobody contests that "Tibet Autonomous Region" is often shortened to "Tibet", and of course maps need to show the current boundaries. You need to show via sources that "Tibet" unadorned means specifically just the TAR rather than the broader cultural grouping and historical Tibet. But I don't think that's true; English language media routinely refers to Tibetans as Tibetans wherever they are as well as the general history of the region. For comparison, see Ireland, a broad-concept article on Ireland-across-history; this is the equivalent for Tibet, which I think is correct. I could maybe see an argument for moving Tibet (disambiguation) to Tibet, something like Macedonia, a disambiguation page that does not redirect to North Macedonia nor the Macedonia region of Greece nor the historical kingdom; but think that the status quo is fine. Besides, there's a link directly in the hatnote to the TAR. SnowFire (talk) 19:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

  The name Tibet is similar to the name China: China commonly means PRC, and that's why name China was moved from Greater China to PRC. Wikipedia:Article_titles states that commonly used name should be used as title of page, common examples are shown above: Google map, Bing map, travel agency of Tibet, Dalai Lama's statement, U.S. policy toward Tibet, and Britannica, all these common examples show that Tibet means Tibet Autonomous Region in general, and boundary is defined. Again, I'm not proving "Tibet" unadorned means specifically just the TAR, but showing Tibet commonly means Tibet Autonomous Region. Island Ireland is not a good example, since it's boundary is defined and does not change with history in general. Macedonia is also not a good example, since name is used for multiple places. Are you saying page Tibet can only be moved to TAR only if "Tibet" unadorned means specifically just the TAR, do I understand right? Is this Wikipedia's naming conventions? ~~~ Toto11zi (talk) 04:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

  WP:COMMONNAME is irrelevant to the move you propose, as both topics have a common name of "Tibet". A move would require a case that identified a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (or lack of). CMD (talk) 04:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

  Tibet commonly means Tibet Autonomous Region, this suggests primary topic of Tibet is Tibet Autonomous Region, do I understand right? Toto11zi (talk) 04:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

  Possibly depending on what you mean, we usually distinguish the two terminologies to reduce confusion. SnowFire has explained what is needed. CMD (talk) 04:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

  As stated, this is similar to the PRC vs. Greater China case, primary topic of China is PRC, not Greater China. Similarly primary topic of Tibet is TAR. If I understand right, SnowFire suggests Tibet can be moved to TAR only if "Tibet" unadorned means specifically just the TAR, this suggests there should be only one meaning for the term Tibet. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC suggests there're multiple meanings, and we pick the primary meaning. Am I correct? Toto11zi (talk) 04:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

oppose per snowfire—blindlynx 00:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)