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A stupa is NOT a pagoda. Please wait till I get more proof. Don't add anything until this is resolved- KRS 17:52, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I changed back part of the last round of changes (re: pagodas); there are plenty of pagodas which aren't pyramidal or bell-shaped (e.g. almost all the Chinese ones). Generally, I think it's unwise to be too specific about how to use English words for a wide variety of structures which are found almost exclusively in non-English-speaking countries. ;) Markalexander100 03:52, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Have arrived at a compromise till further details can be added.

• Added back the fact The stupa evolved into the pagoda (which I am 100 percent sure of)
• added The pagoda has varied forms that also include bellshaped(this was already existing) and pyramidal ones. to suggest a few shapes.
• rephrased already exisitng sentence from English to Western context Today, in the Western context, there is no clear distinction between the stupa and the pagoda. KRS 09:47, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

• The stupa evolved into the pagoda Happy with that.
• The pagoda has varied forms that also include bellshaped(this was already existing) and pyramidal ones. These sound more like stupas than pagodas to me, but since the words are often used interchangeably I've no objection.
• Today, in the Western context, there is no clear distinction between the stupa and the pagoda. Happy.

Markalexander100 06:07, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I have a question on the five cosmic elements part.. I see here that it's earth, air, fire, water and space, but in other pages (like here [1] and here [2]) it says that it's wisdom. What is it really? Thanks in advance -- Jenn 05:39, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Prang?

In Khmer (Cambodian) a stupa is called a chedey, which is a structure to store the ashes of the cremated and also Buddhist relics. A prang is a tower like as in the Angkor Wat towers and does not serve the same purpose as a chedey. But some Cambodian stupas do adopt the style of a prang onto a stupa. --Dara 03:50, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Chaitya

There's a separate article on chaitya. But this aricle seems to think that's the same thing as a stupa. What gives? - Nat Krause^(Talk!) 04:43, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Blank White Space

Is there a way to get rid of the blank white space? I added a picture of the great stupa at sanchi. Tom 04:57, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Meaning of a stupa

History of the Stupa from Shambala Mountain Center Here it is said that the meaning changed. Austerlitz 88.72.3.224 14:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Relevant photo, please

Why do we have, not one, but two photos of the same structure (and the same example of that structure) that, whereas related, is not a stupa? First of all, one of the photos should go, there's absolutely no need for that (even the article torana has only one photo; and, second, please put one of the beautiful photos in the gallery as the main photo, that's what we're talking about. Third, the torana picture could be in some part of the text, but even then it is only marginally referenced within the text (and, see what, a picture showing the same torana again -this time with the pagoda-, is shown). Please, someone working with this article remove the first two photos and add a more convenient one. Thanks. Nazroon 05:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it is much better now. Nazroon 08:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Added Illustration of 8 Great Stupas, Tibetan script/Wylie Transliteration of "chorten"

Forgot to sign! Anyway, hope this adds to the article. Leaving tagged with Template:Tibetan script so that others can check behind me. 68.209.117.73 (talk) 15:42, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

It's really great! Siru108 (talk) 08:21, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Chedi

For those people visiting Thailand, of which I am sure there many, they will most commonly come into contact with the word "Chedi" which is the Thai (possibly similar in other languages) word for "Stupa". I think it would be a good idea to add this in at the beginning of the article so that it is clear when someone looks it up. Chrisjbrooks (talk) 02:50, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

The Thai word for it is เจดีย์ which transcribes to chediya, but with the silencer on ya (ย์) it becomes chedi. FredTC (talk) 11:17, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I've added เจดีย์ into the infobox and the lede paragraph, and kludged the ISO 11940 transcriptions in as well. --Thnidu (talk) 21:40, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Restructured Description and History section.

Gave this section some much-needed attention. Still lacking in reliable citations. Woodega (talk) 03:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Under 'Types of Stupas': list item, 'Symbolic stupa - to symbolize aspects of Buddhist theology,...' The use of the word 'theology' here is misplaced. Certainly, he had ideas *about* theology, but those ideas would not have been representative of his thoughts on 'dhamma.' In fact, since most definitions of 'theology' presume an independently existent creator-God, the gautama would by those terms be considered most certainly an atheist. Perhaps the author meant 'cosmology?' Lowjon (talk) 01:57, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

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Nepal?

Nepalese chorten redirect here, but nothing about them on the page. Please add. 2602:306:30BA:28A0:AD59:3BB7:4F80:6A45 (talk) 03:09, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

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Tower stupa, step pyramid gandhara claims

the claims made that greco buddhist gandhara tower stupa and step pyramids are all influence of greco buddhist architecture is definitely wrong, a multi storied sanctuary depicted in andhra pradesh amaravathi plaque from 2nd cen AD is definitely the inspiration for multistoried pagodas and stepped pyramid shaped buddhist temples. The stepped pyramid stupas predating maurya period for example piprahwa stupa and pre mauryan Vanganga square apsidal stupa remains in udaiygiri hills, rajgir, bihar and the ahichchatra stepped pyramid temple are all precursors to gandhara art.

Link. https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/multi-storey-sanctuary-on-a-plaque-for-covering-a-stupa-news-photo/150611352 60.52.45.174 (talk) 00:55, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Korean translation is incorrect.

"솔도파 (RR: Soldopha)" must be changed to "사리탑(Saritap)". Ksrhho (talk) 07:19, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Derivation

Why is that Indian things are always considered to be derived By Western historians why are these lines even present Meditaarian never had stupas Bhima Palavīṉamāṉa (talk) 16:58, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Which bit is it you're taking issue with? “A wider cultural tradition from the Mediterranean to the Indus valley”? Last time I checked, the Indus Valley is (mostly) in India. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 17:00, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

"South Asia" or "the India"?

Edit Summary by user:Josepherino: I believe you misunderstood the quotation, it is explaining that long before India used stupas, similar structures could be found in the Mediterranean. And I think the Romans and Alexander would disagree that India didn't exist during this time! India is the appropriate wording here, lets avoid edit warring and make a talk page on this subject.

@Josepherino: by your revert you reintroduced the wrong wording "the India".

The text in the article does not say "in the Mediterranean and in India", as "similar structures could be found in the Mediterranean" suggests, but "from the Mediterranean to India", including the whole area between the mentioned areas.

As far as I can see the name India was created in 1858 by the English. So, in the period before the Buddha that is mentioned in the part of the article that contains the controversial wording, there was no India.

So, I think the revert by Cookersweet was a correct revert (except for leaving "the" in the text). FredTC (talk) 10:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Well, yes, the area from the Mediterranean to India is what the article says, as the wording says, I'm not sure what point youre making, could you elaborate on that further.

As for the second point, I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that India was created by the British from, but you seem to be confusing legitimacy of a name with an | exoname. Just like no Greek calls themself a "greek", or no Chinese calls themself "Chinese", or no Egyptian calls Egypt "Egypt", no Indian calls India "india", its just the English language equivalent for the native nomenclature. This doesn't mean "ancient china", "ancient Egypt", "Ancient Greece" don't exist. Just because a term was invented later, or by a different group it cannot refer to the past of a nation. India being made as a colonial state in 1858 does not mean that India did not exist before that, and this could be flipped on you the same way: Asia (that includes India) is also a colonial construct that came about during the age of European expansion, so before buddhas time, there was no Asia, therefore there could be no South Asia.

India is widely used in scholarship (including all three of the sources cited!) to denote India, both ancient, medieval, and modern, it has been this way since europeans first discovered India in the greco-roman times.

Overall, the important thing is that the sources all say "India", not South Asia, and it would be intellectually dishonest to distort what they are trying to say. lets leave it as it is now.

https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.52349/page/n23/mode/2up?q=south+asia&view=theater Josepherino (talk) 18:48, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

If the text must be an exact match with the wording in the ref's, then the only possibility is not India, not South Asia, but Indus Ganges Valey, as in "stretching from the Mediterranean to the Ganges valley" in [4]. --FredTC (talk) 12:56, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Sure, that words too, but the other two say India, so it might be more logical to go with that. Josepherino (talk) 20:28, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Well, [4] and [5] (present nrs) came together with adding this text: "Some authors have suggested that stupas was derived from a wider cultural tradition from the Mediterranean to the Indus valley, and can be related to the 8th century BCE conical mounds on circular bases that can be found in Lydia and Eritrea." So, I think the first ref was given to support the from-to range of areas. This makes "Ganges Valey" the best choice, showing the right respect to the original contributor. --FredTC (talk) 06:04, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

After waiting half a week for comment, I think there is no comment anymore and the change to "Ganges Valley" is OK. I will change it in the article. --FredTC (talk) 12:08, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Forgot about the source but you can find Stupas all over South Asia. So Mediterranean being a region will go better with South Asia which is also a region, instead of going with any country name. Also Wikipedia is for people to understand better and the later term does the work better. Cookersweet (talk) 15:33, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I just saw user:Josepherino's edit history and he is doing reckless and disruptive edits. Many of the edits have been undone but he always reverts them to his version.

The user according to me is trying to show Indian or Hindu supremacy through his edits in the articles. Also he have removed texts which shows Hindus and Indians in bad light or show them inferior, even when it contradicts facts or reality.

Also this is my personal opinion but I think his old account must have been blocked, so he made a new account. Thing that makes me believe this is that he has joined not even a month ago but have done more than 200 edits. Cookersweet (talk) 15:47, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm neither a Hindu, nor an Indian. the sources all use India, its the proper terminology, the reason many of my edits, which were all justified as I took great efforts in explaining if you look through the talk pages I am active in, is because a user called Soap Boy has taken a vendetta to me and is going through all of them and reverting them without reason. Why he is doing it I have no explanation for.

As for the South Asia thing, It doesn't make sense to go against the scholarship with new wording. maybe a compromise like "Indian subcontinent" is in order, but even that goes against the actual meaning of it, which is referring the the culture of India in ancient times, which was always called India. Josepherino (talk) 20:04, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

As for your accusation of my edits being reckless, I ask you point out which ones you think are "reckless" or untrue, or go against the truth, and I will explain all of them to you. Josepherino (talk) 20:05, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Describe any two functions of stupa

Any two functions of stupa 103.68.28.214 (talk) 16:31, 22 February 2023 (UTC)