Talk:Star of David

Star of David on the walls of the old city in Jerusalem

On http://www.crystalinks.com/suleiman.html there's a story about Sultan Suleiman (1494-1566) the Magnificent who built these walls (1535-1538). "It was Sultan Suleiman's messianic consciousness which led him to develop the link between himself and King Solomon. On the walls which he built around Jerusalem are stone decorations in the form of two interlocking triangles ­ Stars of David, known to Moslems as Khatam Suleiman and to Jews as Khatam Shlomo (King Solomon's Seal) ­ whose function was to protect the city". You can see photos of these Star of David on http://star-of-david.blogspot.com/2006/05/guards-on-walls-of-jerusalem.html

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Origin of the Star of David from the Tabernacle

The Hebrew Wikipedia for "Magen David" (Star of David) mentions that there's a theory about the origin of the Star of David from the Tabernacle without referring to the representative of this theory, Uri Ofir, who published a research and a book about this http://star-of-david.blogspot.com/2006/04/jewish-origin-of-star-of-david.html

Zeevveez

The Star and the Occult / Satanism

Oops. I removed the bit on the alleged relation to Satanism since I thought someone had mistaken this for a 5-sided pentagram. I see from Google that a six-sided star is occasionally connected with Satanism, but the inclusion of that tidbit here is clearly a bit of inflammatory anti-semitism, and I stand by its removal... Evercat 18:57, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Perhaps some of the stuff that's not related to Judaism could be moved to Hexagram (e.g. the bit Some cultures say etc) since this page is presumably about the Jewish use of the symbol. Evercat 19:02, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

OK, done that. The following got removed:

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The symbol, itself, is noteworthy as an example of geometric symmetry. Some cultures say that the triangle pointing downwards represents female sexuality and the triangle poitning upwards represents male sexuality. The combination represents unity and harmony. In alchemy, the two triangles represent the reconciliation of the opposites of "fire" and "water". Others cynically observe that it is made up of two triangles pointing in opposite directions and therefore being an excellent symbol of the order and coherence (or rather lack thereof) of the modern Israeli state.

The shape of the star is identical to the hexagram used in Occult practices. If one examines the star of David one observes that it has six points on its outermost circle. It then has six intersecting points where each line is crossed by two others. Finally there is the innermost figure - a hexagon that is the six sided regular figure.

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Some of it was just an anonymous go at Israel, and the second paragraph is an attempt to link Judaism with the number 666. I've not included these bits on hexagram.

I think the mention of the use of the Star of David by the occult is important to establish the fact that it pre-dates Judaism. It also explains why there is a significant number of Jews against the Star's use as the Israeli symbol and this helps explain why they reject it.

Afterall the Kabalah which introduced its usage in Judaism is also filled with much mysticism and magic. Is it unreasonable that this link is shown?

Perhaps not, but your first edit here included the line "This is three lots of 6, that is 666. In Christian revelations it mentions that you will know Satan by the number of the Beast-: 666." which doesn't make me trust your intentions here... Evercat 19:55, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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I apologise for this mistake. The mention of 666 was not to tie it to Judaism but to the mentioned Satanism that the edit contained. I agree that the move of Satanism to the entry for hexagram is more appropriate.

Heh. OK, I guess. Though I'd be wary of making a direct tie between other groups' use of the symbol and the Christian 666... Evercat 20:06, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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The Star and Human Sexuality

I was wondering, is the bit about human sexuality relevant to the Star of David? I've removed it for now (and it is now at hexagram) but it can be restated if I've misjudged its relevance. Evercat 19:36, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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The Star As Used by Nazis

"A yellow-colored Star of David was used by the Nazis, during the Holocaust, as a method of identifying Jews"

Am I right that in the Warsaw ghetto, Jews were ordered to wear a white arm-band with a blue Star of David, or was this dramatic license in The Pianist? Were there any other variations? Mintguy 20:29, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

In occupied Poland Jews did wear a white armband with a blue star on it, as well as a patch on the front and back of their clothing. The Pianist was accurate (about that, if not much else.) Danny

From http://www.lambda.org/symbols.htm "Prisoners in Nazi concentration camps were labeled according to their crimes by inverted colored triangles."Regular" criminals were denoted by a green triangle, political prisoners by red triangles and Jews by two overlapping yellow triangles (to form the Star of David, the most common Jewish symbol). Homosexual prisoners wear labels with pink triangles. Gay Jews- the lowest form of prisoner- had overlapping yellow and pink triangles". See: http://star-of-david.blogspot.com/2006/05/pink-repression.html

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Christ is a Greek word for king

"Christ is a Greek word for king." Wikipedia had better remove the last outside link on the 'Star of David' page. That claim is nonsense. Christos is the Greek translation of the Hebrew 'Messias' - the Anointed One. HE IS THE KING, but that is not what the word 'Christos' means. What's the point of including such deceptive links in a serious encyclopedia?

Sorry, which link are you referring to? Jayjg 16:22, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Origin : David al Rohi (real name : Menahem) in 1150 biggest messianic mouvement ?

Hi. (excuse my english) I read in a Jews history, wrote by Josy Eisenberg, that : in 1000-1100, there were many messianic mouvements, with sionism. One of the greatest was the on ef Menahem, which takes the messianic name of "David al Rohi". He makes stand up Jews of Kurdistan and Azerbaïdjan, Perse and Bagdad, and makes a hope of conquest of the sacred land.

He writes: it is since that, that the "David shield", erronously called "David star", became a jew symbol. Links with King Devid is totally fictive.

Really sorry for my english, i'm lazy, i'm not proud.

Star of Hamburg

they are one and the same, not only in shape but what it represents - strength and self-restraint

Dissent

According to a document in Spanish: '¿Estrella de David? ¡No!: estrella del ídolo egipcio Renfan', (David's Star? No!: Star of Egyptian idol Renfan), accessible in: 'Simjat-Torah' site, the hexagram, right name for this star, is the symbol a group of hebrew put in a flag and paraded after it during Exodus, with the result of Moshes slit throat of 500 of them.

One of the reasons the first Christian Martyr, saint Stephen, was lapidated, is stated as he reminded hebrew of the nature of this star. One of these hexagrams was found in the remains of a first century Synagogue in Capernaum. For Jean Riviere: 'Amulets, talismans, pentacles', this star is a variant svastika, having connections to Siberian shamanism and solar cults, it's still known today in Asia. Classical svastikas existed as ornaments in the last Temple of Jerusalem ('El fértil creciente y la Biblia' -The fertile crescent and the Bible-, by Joaquín González-Echegaray ISBN 9788471516985).

Also, some indicate the hexagram is connected to Saturn cult, Chronos for the Greek, many times depicted as a bearded old man, being possibly identical to Moloch, the idol of Amalek. ('Dictionary of symbols'-Penguin-, J Chevalier, A Gheerbrant; ISBN-13: 978-0140512540; 'How To Read Symbols', Clare Gibson. ISBN: 9781408112656).

Little doubt this is a 'jinx' symbol. Agur. Gesund +

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What does Scholem say came first?

It says here that according to Scholem, the Jews took the term Chotem Shlomo from the Muslims. But in the article on the Seal of Solomon, Scholem is quoted as saying just the opposite:

The tradition of Solomon's Seal later made its way into Islamic Arab sources, as Gershom Scholem (the founder of the modern, academic study of Kabbalah) attests "It is difficult to say for how long certain definite names have been used for several of the most common seals. The Arabs made many such terms especially popular, but just the names Seal of Solomon and Shield of David, which are often used interchangeably for the two emblems, go back to pre-Islamic Jewish magic. They did not originate among the Arabs who, incidentally, know only the designation Seal of Solomon."

The two articles quote two different sources but they can't both be right Shaked13 (talk) 18:59, 12 April 2024 (UTC)