Talk:Shaker Heights, Ohio

Category:Utopian communites

"Category:Utopian communities" refers to the history of Shaker Heights as a settlement with utopian goals. The category was initiated to group this type of community for research in planning and social movements. Dystopos 21:14, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Do you mean the North Union family (Shakers), which was utopian, or Shaker Heights, which is the suburban development? If so, Shaker Heights wasn't established by the Van Swearington's to be anything utopian. It was established to be a highly restricted community by design (property size, architectural style); its racial make up was pretty much white through the 1940s with the exception on the first black family that settled in the community in the 1930s and promptly burned out of their home. Shaker's socially progressive outlook on race an diversity was an outgrowth of early 1960s in Ludlow, not a planned model of the Vans' in the 19-teens.Stude62 01:15, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Both the 1822 Shaker settlement and the 1905 Garden City suburb would qualify as "Utopian communities" because they were both parts of wider movements that were idealistic in nature. The particular foibles of the Russells or Van Sweringen's, or the communities they established, belong to the specific history of the place, not to the category. Failed examples are still examples - and for utopian planning, failures are the only examples we've ever had. Dystopos 03:31, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I can certainly see the argument for terming the Shaker settlement of Union Village a utopian community, although it's not exactly cut and dry. But there's no basis to apply the label to Shaker Heights. It was originally planned as a pleasant place to live with easy access by streetcar to the city. There may have been idealism as well as the profit motive here on the part of the Van Sweringens, but that alone does not make Shaker Heights a Utopian Community or even a failed Utopian Community.

Even if you were able to substantiate your claim with some kind of source saying the town was envisioned as a utopian community, it still wouldn't really belong in the category. Failed Utopian Community, planned originally utopian community, what have you. The current category gives the impression that Shaker Heights is, right now, some kind of Utopian Community, and that's just plain silly.

Right now I'm removing the category. If you can find something to substantiate the claim, then maybe it might be worth putting up with a qualifier. Theotherkg 19:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Its actually very nice...Shaker was very well planned, no two homes are identical, it incorporates man made lakes, a commuter rail service, it is an architectural gem.

Its holding up well, which Utopia would if there was such a thing. It is and has been integrated racially as Utopia would be…I suppose.

The city was preplanned and very restrictive in the onset, specific colors for home and even deed restriction on not just race actually nationality.

It also has stratification built in, the incomes to live in on certain street well defined, wealthy, moderate and middle income.

Whether shaker aspires to be utopian or not, it is worth emulating except for the 3% property tax.

Not Utopian but it is in fact one of kind, nothing in the US resembles it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.5.253 (talk) 22:08, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

New Section Idea

history and notable facts section is becoming crammed with all of the residents info. consider adding a "Notable Residents" section.

Un-Discussed Page Move

Please note that this article is about the city located in Ohio. Just because there is only one Shaker Heights does not merit dropping the ",Ohio." In addition, there are other articles with "Shaker Heights" in the title. Moving page back to the original and appropriate title. --HBot3 20:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Relative Location Map

In the Portuguese and Volpak languages, there was an intresting target map showing SH's relative location Sseballos (talk) 12:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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Climate debate

I have been wondering about the removal about a year ago of the separate climate section and table for Shaker Heights. A point was made about Shaker Heights having the same climate classification as Cleveland, but because of the influence of the 300-foot Portage Escarpment, Cleveland typically falls under hot-summer continental (Dfa), whereas, in Shaker Heights the summer average temperature is under 22 degrees Celsius (it's closer to 21 while Cleveland's is around 23.) In addition, snowfall totals are not highlighted on any Wikipedia page east of Cleveland until Chardon, whereas Shaker Heights sees an average snowfall intermediate between the two (85-90 inches per year). While it is adjacent to Cleveland, it is important to note that the climate data should be changed and inserted. As this has been a point of contention in the past I wanted to bring it up again so that a consensus could be made before it is re-added to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snowbunting14 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

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