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"some of whom conquered large parts of Great Britain"

This is a far from settled point. (Probably worthy of its own page). Put briefly, legends and much written history record an invasion but there is no physical evidence of one. I suggest changing the wording to:

"some of whom came to dominate large parts of Great Britain".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.150.177.249 (talk) 09:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC) 

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I'm not a historian but the second paragraph seems wrong. It mentions Saxons have settled in the Americas. Does the writer mean that peoples that have Saxon ancestry would eventually settle in the America's? The way it is worded makes it seem like the original Saxon movement to Britain was followed by a Saxon movements elsewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.208.41.254 (talk) 13:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

It refers to the migrations of people from the northern parts of Germany, Plattdeutschers and Mennonites. Both speak/spoke Low Saxon which is the successor language of the old Saxon language. While many Plattdeutschers are indeed descendants of the old Saxons, the Mennonites originally were migrants from the Netherlands who settled in Prussia, aquired the local Low Saxon language and migrated to new places, keeping the Low Saxon language. But they can hardly be called "Saxons" for that.

I'd say the sentence should be removed. --::Slomox:: >< 12:54, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I second that. Trigaranus (talk) 15:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

The Sassanidae or sassanian tribe of present day iraq,ruled by khosrau 11(crosroes) at the time of the declining roman empire in the 3rd century a.d. The split between the east and west Roman empire was followed by a sucession of poor quality emperors leaving the coffers empty and being attacked on all sides.During these toubled times the Sassanids traversed through the almost depopullated provinces of Dacia & Thrace, Uniting with the gothic tribes preparing an attack on Constantinople. This union was quickly rejected by the gothic federation of tribes. The Sassanians moved on along the danube into the ligurian (or burgundian area in france todays) To their neighbours,who were the Celts whose name for them name for them was Sassenachs, to the Romans they were Sassenau(x)corrupted into saxones,then to Saxons as they moved north away from the gothic hoards as they swept across southern europe.This was immediately preceding and during the Valentinian, Martian period. The savage nature of the tribe was born out by their treatment of the Britons occupying the heathlands south of the thames where they massacre everyone (as recorded later by Gildas)They gave the name to the word 'Assassin' and also 'Heathens'. This tribe has the attributes of a long face and dark brown or black eyes and long nose. The point being lower than the base of the nose. Their descendants can be noted as more numerous south of the thames today than the blond, ginger or light brown haired and blue eyed Engrian tribe who were not Saxon,ever. Due to attacks on the Scots and Picts by Egbert and his family, and his heathens, the Scot revived the name referring to the English as sassenachs in error —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.14.15.232 (talk) 01:22, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. And the Sassanidae originally were from Atlantis. --::Slomox:: >< 10:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh Dear! I'm afraid it is generally accepted that the word "assassin" comes from the Arabic, referring to the Nizari branch of the Ismā'īlī Shia founded by the Persian Hassan aṣ-Ṣabbaḥ during the Middle Ages, and called in Arabic: حشّاشين, ħashshāshīyīn.

I have made some changes to reflect the fact that there is little or no evidence of an invasion by people known as Saxons in sub-Roman Britain, rather it was a case of migration and assimilation. Boatgypsy (talk) 20:02, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Gaul -- More than I can manage

The section on Gaul was apparently written by a non-native speaker of English of only moderate skill and could use a serious rewrite. I corrected the last paragraph as best I could until I realised the entire section needs work. This correction should be undertaken by someone familiar with the field, not a casual reader.--Janko (talk) 06:32, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Paganism

Thi is stated in the section on Paganism; "Something of early Saxon religious practices in Britain can be gleaned from place names. ", but the paragraph does not seem to go on to explain how this is so, and simply mentions the name of three counties. It seesm to need further explanation, or am I missing something? Ic fieldman (talk) 22:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Low German - High German

"The Saxons (Latin: Saxones, Old English: Seaxe, Old Saxon: Sahson, Low German: Sachsen)"

The Low German word for Saxons is "Sassen", the High German word is "Sachsen".

With kind regards from Lower Saxony --Rogerblech (talk) 13:07, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Netherlands

The article states that the Saxons occupied the territory south of the Frisians, but weren't the Frisians Saxons themselves? The medieval and modern Frisians have no connection to the ancient tribe of the Frisii, since they were resettled to a different location in Roman territory by the Romans in 296 AD. Perhaps someone could write a piece about the Anglo-Saxon settlement in Frisia?--62.195.142.3 (talk) 18:51, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Saxon as an Aryan tribes

Hi I added a new part as Iranian Languages in Etymology I'll add more sources and passage soon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greekogreeko (talk • contribs) 13:27, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

== Saxon - Iranian Languag==l for any problem with the references , you can try :

the tribes' names In Avesta=

Notice: many sources are in another language (and it was about another language) and i try to give you a link for them:

Avesta: the Farvardin Yashts of the young Avesta

http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/languages/

http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AF%DB%8C%D9%86%E2%80%8C%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA

The Avesta contains the names of various tribal groups who lived in proximity to each other. According to Prof. Gherardo Gnoli:’’Iranian tribes that also keep on recurring in the Yasht, Airyas, Tuiryas, Sairimas, Sainus and Dahis’’.[12] In the hymns of the Avesta, the adjective Tūrya is attached to various enemies of Zoroastrism like Fraŋrasyan (Shahnameh: Afrāsīāb). The word occurs only once in the Gathas, but 20 times in the later parts of the Avesta.

a b G. Gnoli, Zoroaster's time and homeland, Naples 1980 M. Boyce, History of Zoroastrianism. 3V. Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1991. (Handbuch Der Orientalistik/B. Spuler)

Sagxni/Sagxoni or Sagsi or Saka.

Saka is available in Wikipedia

for Sagxi/Sagxoni/Sagsi (سَگزی) you can read :

http://www.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/far/hobbies/iran/Shahnameh/shahnameh_ch16.html

you can read the story of Esfandiyār & Rostam or you can see this persian source: http://ganjoor.net/index.php?s=%D8%B3%DA%AF%D8%B2%DB%8C&author=4

the table

The Interpretation of Avesta,by Prof. Freydun Joneydi, 1965 not available online or The Perso-European Languages, Prof. Noxostin, Paris, 1906 but:

http://www.loghatnaameh.org/dehkhodaworddetail-f05d06f718054d64ad2ad78b58a0eeac-fa.html

you can use this link : http://fa.glosbe.com/fa/ae/

Iranian Languages

Editor Greekogreeko has introduced the idea that Saxon is Persian for son of a dog. I deleted the content, then reinstated it based on Greekogreeko's statements on my talk page. Since then another user has deleted the content again. I can't find evidence to support Greekogreeko's statements in the sources he provided, but being unable to read Farsi I may be missing something. The links provided do not seem to be about the idea that Saxon is Persian for son of a dog. Based on that and the unlikeliness of a connection between the word Saxon and Iranian languages, I think the section on "Iranian Languages" should stay deleted. Thank you. SchreiberBike (talk) 17:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry to disappoint User:Greekogreeko in that this theory cannot be part of the main article as long as it has not been at least reviewed by philologists specialised in Germanic languages. From what it looks like so far, it seems to be mostly WP:OR and so has no standing on WP. That's where it ends already. OR is a no-go. The theory about the Farsi counterpart to ابن كلب being in any way connected to the name of the Saxones, based on primary school "etymology", does not live up to the most basic standards of linguistic reconstruction. Semantically, it is pretty out there: leaving aside the Juan Juan, where "wriggling worms" is one of the more fanciful translations for the name given to them by the Chinese, I have yet to see a European ethnonym with a pejorative meaning, especially one that is clearly an endonym used by the people itself. Morphologically, it reminded me a little of Heinrich Leo (†1878), who came up with a politically charged but historically and etymologically fairly vapid notion that the Jutes were Getae, the Danes Dacians and the Saxons Saka. None of these equations have anything more to them than superficial -- and rather loose -- phonological similarities. Incidentally, the only one that he didn't inherit from mediaeval scribes, who had been trolling for similar-sounding ancient names long before him, was the one of the Saxons and the Saka, which he made up more or less on the spot. The present scholarly etymology (derived from sahs) is tentative and not a very happy affair, but preferable to what has been presented under "dog"+"son", which is just plain wrong: the Farsi word سگ (sag) is genetically related to German hund, Latin canis and Russian cобака (not sure there though) and was spā in Avestan, not "Dzag". The second part of the "etymology" presented makes even less sense. Sorry, but not on WP please. Trigaranus (talk) 12:53, 24 April 2013 (UTC)