Talk:Prayer to Saint Michael

The original prayer is written in Latin, not Italian.

Word choice. Thrust verses Banish

You should note that similarity and differences between these two words in the prayer...

Banish in the more preferred one... (maybe that is the problem  ;) ) --Caesar J.B. Squitti: Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti (talk) 00:22, 2 March 2009 (UTC) "Thrust" is a more literal translation of "detrude". Lima (talk) 05:38, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Anthony Cekada

Are the views of this one particular theologian so influential as to warrant its own section? He's referenced as if a casual Wiki reader ought to know his name offhand. I don't. Who is he? Some context would be nice. --Puddingpie (talk) 05:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Puddingpie, Thanks for bringing that up. In fact, I had not paid attention and not really noticed that section. So I checked, and you are right that he is not a notable authority on the Catholic Church. Instead, that gentleman is an excommunicated priest and has a Wikipedia page under Anthony Cekada. Moreover, the single source for that section is not a "reliable third party source known for fact checking" and hence fails to meet Wikipedia guidelines. I will therefore delete that material. There was also a section on 20th century rumors that has no working reference (prev link is dead) and I tagged it. If no references for a while, it needs to be deleted. Cheers History2007 (talk) 06:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Don't shoot the messenger. Lima (talk) 14:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, thanks for adding references. Now it looks more credible. And it all started to get better because Puddingpie asked the question. Cheers History2007 (talk) 15:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

You realize, I suppose, that I did little more than extract the references from Cekada's article. Lima (talk) 15:32, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

No, I had not noticed that. In that case, I guess one needs to check if those references hod together anyway. But at least you opened the avenue for further research now, rather than a single link that was there before. Do you think those references are reliable? History2007 (talk) 17:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I do. I have read one or two more of his writings on the Internet. When he cites a document, he does so in what seems scholarly fashion. Many of his arguments are based on highly questionable undocumented initial premises such as that Benedict XVI is a heretic! But I trust his citations of documents. Am I naive? Read him and see for yourself. Lima (talk) 18:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

If you think the refs are reliable enough, I will go along. You probably know more theology than I do. But I will not spend time reading him, for the whole issue of the stories about the prayer are tangential to my interest. In any case, thanks for spending time to clean up. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 18:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Refs

Two sections of this article are really "reference free". The section on "Popular culture" has zero references. What if someone just typed some of this material as a joke? How can one verify it? Unless references are added here, I will have to delete it in a few days. History2007 (talk) 06:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

No refs at all after a month. Has to go. History2007 (talk) 00:47, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Exact words

There have been two versions of this prayer here with slightly different words, e.g. be our Protection vs be our SafeGuard and cast vs thrust etc. I had actually known this prayer years ago with Safeguard and cast (so that version has also been in use for a while I am sure) but in the Raccolta page 340, it clearly uses Protection etc. so I think we should leave it as such. History2007 (talk) 20:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Footnote 20 cites something published by TAN books in 1973, "the year in which the film The Exorcist appeared." It would seem equally noteworthy that 1973 also saw the release of American Graffiti, Charlotte's Web, and Battle for the Planet of the Apes. Mannanan51 (talk) 21:17, 11 May 2011 (UTC)mannanan51