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Why does this article give 'presbyterianism' as the style of government in brethren churches? Is that true in part of the world? In New Zealand Open Brethren are strictly congregationalist - each congregation or 'assembly' is autonomous and independent (although there's varying degrees of cooperation between assemblies).
I've added the number of assemblies in each of the nations listed as well as the sources for these numbers. I've also added the section "Justification by faith" and changed "Kerala Brethren" into a new section. -IToba
I've started the section "world wide" and listed the numbers of assemblies in various countries. I've tried to balance the list by having approximately the same number of countries listed in each geographical region however I only listed those countries with a significant number of assemblies. IToba 02:06, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
A few little things
Johno 01:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)As a member of a contemporary OB church which is trying to provide a showcase on how the movement may reinvent itself for the 21st century, I felt it was appropriate to add a few updates on current thought within the church.
This link: Gospel Hall dot Org was recently added by a user who added the same website to multiple articles, many of which it was inappropriate for. It looks like it might be appropriate here, but I'm not sure how significant, trusted or NPOV it is as a resource. So I moved it here to bring it to the attention of regular editors of this article. If it is an appropriate link, that there is consensus to include, please add it back. Thanks -- Siobhan Hansa 21:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Muller being leader of the Open Brethren
Re, on article history :- (cur) (last) 01:31, 18 January 2008 Rossnixon (Talk | contribs) (6,924 bytes) (rm Muller. Ref is misleading. He was a 'pastor' of one assembly. There has never been a 'leader' of the movement as a whole.) (undo)
I take Rossnixon's point. Historical records indicate Muller never seeked leadership, it just happened that way. Muller was a humble man. Darby gave Muller an ultimatum of "excommunicate the Benjamin Newton followers in your meeting or be excommunicated yourself!" after he had unexpectently arrived at Muller's doorstep. Muller told Darby that he had more urgent matters to attend too, could only spend 10 minutes of his time with Darby and told Darby that he had acted wickedly in regards to his dealings with Newton and his followers. Darby stormed out of the meeting, Muller got excommunicated and the many assemblies which rallied behind Muller formed the Open Brethren. --Another berean (talk) 10:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Ive done some further reading about the excommunication of Bethesda (Muller's assembly), the above was wrong. Excommunication took place on August 26th, 1848, when Darby issued an edict from Leeds after he discovered that some assemblies in Yorkshire were sympathising with Muller and not siding with Darby in condemning the teachings of Newton. On October 31st 1848, Muller condemned the heresy previously taught by Newton, which Newton had already retracted, with Muller stating that anyone holding the heresy would not be received into fellowship. (The alleged followers of Newton had already been cleared of holding the heresy)
"As you have now judged Newton's tracts the reason why we should not be united no longer exists" Darby is alleged to have said in the meeting in June 1849. Muller replied with "I have only 10 minutes now free having an engagement at 1 O'clock, and therefore cannot now enter upon this subject;for you have acted so wickedly in this whole affair, that many things have to be looked into before we could be really united again". They never met again. That was George Muller's account, Darby denied its accuracy but left no record of his version of the meeting. --Another berean (talk) 10:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking of adding a section on the particular emphasis on missionary work, especially overseas - I thought it would be a good idea to check that's the same all over, or whether it might be more appropriate under the general PB banner, or whether it's considered warranted at all...sb (talk) 15:42, 19 September 2008 (UTC)