Talk:Minecraft server

Add 2b to most popular?

@Melofors: Curious why 2b is omitted from most popular? Is it because the only source is WP:SELFSOURCE? Or another reason? Leijurv (talk) 23:21, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it is because of WP:SELFSOURCE. As far as I know, there are no reliable sources for the player count. There may be, but they might be very outdated. Tell me if you know of any. —  Melofors  TC  01:58, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Makes sense tbh. In the 2b article itself, it's got an "according to the server owner". Wouldn't really make sense here. It's at times like this that I ponder on the fact that all of those numbers are technically according to their server owners, it's just that some secondary sources have copied the numbers. Leijurv (talk) 18:31, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, and that also goes for articles like List of best-selling video games. —  Melofors  TC  21:36, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Is there even a way to confirm player counts of everyone who ever joined a server without some kind of assistance from the owners? Doubt it. Regardless, it's a shame. 5aturnius (talk) 15:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Hypixel as most common?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minecraft&diff=927628728&oldid=927626635

Consensus on Minecraft seems to be to call Hypixel "one of" the most popular, while this article just says THE most popular. I'm not quite sure that consensus like that would directly transfer between articles, but might as well bring these two articles into alignment? idk. @Hellknowz: @Melofors: Leijurv (talk) 21:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Only Variety article says anything about being popular and it says "one of the", so that's (the only thing) what we can say. I imagine this article has taken slight liberties about WP:V versus WP:TRUTH. I suppose Melofors should be a little more careful citing material. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 22:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I added this source from The Hollywood Reporter for that information about Hypixel being popular. —  Melofors  TC  01:51, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Hypixel is the most popular server. See Guinness records.  Nixinova   T   C   05:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Sounds like Minecraft needs to be updated then :) Leijurv (talk) 18:07, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 3 April 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved (non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 12:52, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

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Minecraft servers → Minecraft server – Title should be singular. Title blacklist prevents me from performing this move myself.  Nixinova   T   C   02:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I disagree. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (plurals). The first exception appears to apply here, for "Articles on groups or classes of specific things." Leijurv (talk) 02:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

This article is about the general concept of a Minecraft server, though, not just listing them.  Nixinova   T   C   06:54, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Never really paid attention to it before, but there is no actual reason for it to be plural when this discusses the topic/concept of a "Minecraft server" in singular, like every other article on Wikipedia. There is nothing particular about this topic to be considered a group of something. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 21:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

• The exception about "groups/classes" can be summed up like this: in running text, would you use the word "the" before the title? ("The Florida Keys", "The rivers of New Zealand"?) If not, it's definitely not going to fall under that exception. Support Red Slash 22:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Alright. Support Leijurv (talk) 22:54, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

That's a really helpful way to think about it! Paintspot Infez (talk) 21:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Title should be singular. Paintspot Infez (talk) 21:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

• Support as well per the reasons above; I didn't consider this when I created the article. —  Melofors  TC  15:30, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

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Ordering of notable servers

Should the notable servers be in alphabetical or chronological order? Leijurv (talk) 02:40, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Alphabetical would probably be better.  Nixinova   T   C   06:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Title

Shouldn't the Minecraft in the article's title be italicized? Computer165 (talk) 23:33, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

 You're right, thanks. —  Melofors  TC  01:20, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Specific pages for popular servers?

Would a page dedicated to a specific popular server e.g Hermitcraft, Hypixel,etc. be notable enough to deserve their own pages? Thanks. Frogface08 (talk) 11:11, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Has there been enough significant coverage of those servers to be considered for their own page? Hermitcraft, for example, has had a considerable impact, but I can't find any independent articles discussing the server. Separately, I'd like to split the notable servers section into Public servers and Private servers. Currently, the list contains only public servers. Marsp (talk) 17:30, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

DSMP has its own article, and its popular Nbanchor373 (talk) 22:42, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Build the Earth

Is Build the Earth considered a notable server? Build the Earth exists on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.135.0.22 (talk) 04:59, April 12, 2021 (UTC)

The table lists servers that have articles on Wikipedia, and all of them should pass WP:GNG. If you have concerns about their notability, you should bring it up at the corresponding article's talk page. SWinxy (talk) 19:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Shortening descriptions

About my recent edit: it is a follow up to this edit in which I converted the list into a table. The list was getting massive and I knew it would only get bigger, since there are probably dozens of servers mentioned in the media, which would be way too many sections. It looked like a bunch of separate articles for each server. When I converted it to a table, though, I put those massive paragraphs into the "notes" column, which also looked ugly. It should really just be a short 1–3 sentence description for each server. I'm leaving this here in case anybody opposes these changes. —  Melofors  TC  22:46, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

I support this change. Any information previously there should instead be either in their respective article or condensed in the notes, if not removed entirely. SWinxy (talk) 03:52, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Removal of Digital Jesuit

Should the Digital Jesuit entry be removed? I don't think it's notable enough to remain on the list (many citations don't necessarily indicate notability). The Robert Ballecer page has just a passing note at the very end of his article. The list points to Ballecer, but his article also points to Minecraft server#Notable servers, making neither page give much information on it (both pages have seemingly identical sentences). I'd be okay-ish if it was kept so long as Ballecer's page had a dedicated section for the server. Relevant policies: WP:NNC, WP:LSC, WP:INDISCRIMINATE, and WP:SOURCELIST. SWinxy (talk) 04:14, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

A missed old server from 2010

There is a server constantly running since 15 October 2010 that is not included in the list of notable servers.

It’s called “The Shire”. For the first few months it moved between various hosts and changed IPs, then they got a domain play.shirecraft.us that is still in use today. Still using the same map from 15 Oct 2010. Various artefacts from 2010 around the spawn area, including trees from Minecraft Alpha.

I’m finding it difficult to collate evidence for an obscure Minecraft server from 11 years ago, but here’s my attempt…

• Timeline of events
• Video from December 2010
• Video about 2010 Minecraft servers, skip to 15:08.
• Video of the world on 15 oct 2010 - this world became corrupted, and on the same day a new world was created that is still in use today.
• Reddit post from April 2016

Is it worthy of being on the list? --CoffeeAndChill (talk) 00:40, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Unless its mentioned in media, no.  Nixinova   T   C   06:26, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I guess it depends on what you class as media. If you're asking for reputable sources from way back when it was created, you're unlikely to get that. The oldest article referenced for any server currently on the list is from 2016.

There's a unilad article here - https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/1500-people-spent-five-years-making-this-stunning-minecraft-map (mirrored here)

Gamestar article (German) - https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/minecraft,3274853.html

The video I linked to in my previous comment from a popular YouTube content creator - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0szlsSTuQC4

Does the Unilad or Gamestar article qualify?

--CoffeeAndChill (talk) 23:53, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Sources should pass the standards of WP:RS, such as those at WP:VG/RS. Unilad accepts anyone's contributions and their acceptance criteria are unknown, so it is more than likely an unreliable source in itself. So you would have to instead show that the author is reliable as a self-published source - an expert in their field with significant publication history. But the content itself also doesn't really say much, doesn't list any dates or sources. "Here's a link, how cool is that" is the typical churnalism that we try to avoid. Honestly, 5 minutes of research would yield more content about that server than that article. In the end, I don't see how this is an acceptable source. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 00:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your response

Gamestar is in the list of platform-specific reliable sources - Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources#Platform-specific, and the server has an article on Gamestar; granted it is not full of content, although it does link off to a photo album, but few of the references currently in use on this page appear to reference specific dates.

A video by "TheMisterEpic" is already used a reference on this page, and the server I am proposing to add is featured in one of their videos too. It's also been featured in videos by "Gameranx".

The server has a bunch of albums uploaded to imgur over the years which are timestamped.

I agree with you that the sources are not great. It seems a shame to have a piece of Minecraft history unacknowledged, alongside the other oldest communities that are still running.

Do you have any suggestions for where to go from here please?

--CoffeeAndChill (talk) 00:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Minehut

Minehut is a notable Minecraft server for two reasons. Firstly, it's the second most popular Java server. Secondly, its more than just a server, it has a content marketplace, forums, and free server hosting, making it more of an ecosystem than just a server. The fact that it is a collection of other people's servers is a unique quirk that makes it perfect for this list. Here is a minute sampling of their media coverage (the have 15k backlinks according to Ahrefs):

https://west-games.com/minecraft-is-minehut-safe/
https://www.anbmedia.com/news/gaming/2021/04/moose-toys-brands-featured-in-minehut-spring-break/
https://www.montrealfamilies.ca/how-to-set-up-a-free-minecraft-server/
https://www.thetoyinsider.com/minehut-spring-break-event/
https://www.truegossiper.com/create-your-minecraft-server/
https://www.baystreet.ca/viewarticle.aspx?id=568723
https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/SUPER-LEAGUE-GAMING-INC-57237446/news/Super-League-Gaming-Continues-to-See-Dramatic-Audience-Growth-April-2020-Year-To-Date-Already-Large-30540763/
https://www.wallstreet-online.de/nachricht/12037550-super-league-to-present-at-the-22nd-annual-needham-growth-conference-on-january-14-2020
https://www.gurufocus.com/news/1098391/super-league-gaming-sees-dramatic-surge-in-users-community-engagement-and-hours-of-gameplay-across-multiple-platforms-
https://proapkinc.com/minehut-set-up-free-minecraft-server-hosting-with-minehut/
https://www.mancity.com/news/club/minecraft-soccer-city-63735687
https://toybook.com/moose-toys-super-league-gaming-collab/
User1042 (talk) 12:42, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

References

Wikipedia requires reliable sources, such as reliable video game sources , not just sources. A custom VG source search brings up nothing. Minecraft and everything related to it has attracted an enormous amount of sites, blogs and other content. The vast majority of it are not reliable by any measure that Wikipedia uses. Also, popularity is not a measure of notability, nor are things like being an "ecosystem". —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 13:27, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I realize this now. User1042 (talk) 23:28, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Potential Additions

Since this article already goes into the backend of running a Minecraft server (proxy, etc), it might be worth mentioning transfer packets. Since this article already mentions the EULA, it might be worth mentioning the fact that many notable Minecraft servers have pay-to-win PVP elements. At this time, there doesn't seem to be any good sources to cite, but should any arise, maybe these should be mentioned in a sentence each. User1042 (talk) 11:26, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Even if certain qualms about revelancy may be imposed, this is an aspect of minecraft server culture that Mojang have deliberately ignored even though, it's supposed to be outright illegal or not allowed. 5aturnius (talk) 15:53, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

References

Section on the oldest server

This section was based on Wikis, Youtube videos, and a listicle on 'oldest.org' - none of these are reliable sources. Per WP:V, this section should be removed. I have attempted to do so, but a new editor is edit warring with me, as well as adding more unreliable sources. MrOllie (talk) 01:07, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, none of these sources are reliable, even the oldest.org listicle. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 10:04, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Novylen - the oldest Minecraft Server

Novylen, is one of the oldest Minecraft Servers in existence. It was switched on on the day that Minecraft multiplayer was released (see website, may not be correct) and the SMP map was used as a survival singleplayer map by the server owner before Minecraft multiplayer in the Infdev (possible incorrect spelling) version. The server has always been running the SMP map.

This is the oldest Minecraft server because if you ask someone wherever a Minecraft server running an old map or a Minecraft server running a new map switched on at around the same time, 9/10 people will say old map.

I don't know much about the server but do play it. 80.2.214.217 (talk) 15:49, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

How notable does a Minecraft Server have to be to be on the list?

I was wondering how notable a server has to be on the list. Like in player counts. ABluePanda (talk) 07:33, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

The metric is not player counts but descriptions in reliable sources  Nixinova   T   C   09:22, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2023

Add 90gq, it's a let's play server that is 13 years old now now Greenduk (talk) 06:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Liu1126 (talk) 08:51, 25 October 2023 (UTC)