Talk:Marsyas

Reasons for changing Pythagorean material

I move and deleted much of the following paragraph:

“In Antiquity Zeuxis' painting of Marsyas religatus was displayed in the temple of Concordia in Rome, as a warning to those who might disturb the concord of the state, according to Pliny's Natural History (35.66), a connection that requires a little explanation. In a Pythagorean paradigm, the lyre was an embodiment of harmony, that could be broken by the shrill tones of the flute. ‘The cosmological assumptions of the Pythagorean school could also easily be translated into political terms as a call for social harmony, state order and political harmony.’”

Here’s why. In creating the new section of Marsyas among the Romans, the reference to the painting in the Temple of Concord needed to be moved there; however, the purpose of the comparativist scholar cited was to be, well, comparative, and not to elucidate the role of Marsyas among the Romans per se. It is an interesting article, but not entirely fluent in its Roman subject matter, as it seeks to explore a timeless literary theme, not delimit Roman thinking. Also, Pliny himself merely notes that the painting hung in the temple; he doesn’t make any claims about its purpose. I’m not doubting Niżyńska’s hypothesis, just trying to make the distinction that this in a modern interpretation. I deleted the Pythagorean material because, although Apollo is the major Pythagorean god, the linkage of Apollo / lyre / Pythagorean harmony / Concordia was difficult to make without going to abstruse and tangential lengths, and ultimately wasn’t required to make the point that Marsyas and his free speech were shown as repressed in the interest of social order. Cynwolfe (talk) 13:27, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

images

In terms of illustrating the different ways Marsyas has been depicted in art, the Louvre and Istanbul images are pretty much the same. I wonder whether we should decide which is the stronger image, and use that one. We don't currently have one of the more gruesome depictions of the actual flaying. Cynwolfe (talk) 14:10, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Of the two, the first image seems by far the stronger, methinks. Haploidavey (talk) 16:17, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Here are some images from Commons. (Haven't really checked to see which of these are already used.)Cynwolfe (talk) 18:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

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  Flaying by Titian
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  Athena, Marsyas and the pipes
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  Apollo coolly flaying
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  more intent Apollonian flaying
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  Nasty reputation as a cru-el dude
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  Engraved gem found in Roman Gaul
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  Scythian?
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  Narrative sarcophagus
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  Ceiling panel (at the Vatican???)
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  Eh
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  How inappropriately pretty
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  Melchior Meier

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