Talk:List of organizations historically described as communist fronts by the United States government

Page move

It might be a good idea to move this page to "List of organizations historically described as Communist fronts by the United States federal government, since everything on this page is at least 60 years old.

Fair point -- but then you should move lots of other related items to "historical," which could raise issues of accuracy or fairness... IMO, it's not worth the effort, while the main point is that the information is find-able. - Aboudaqn (talk) 22:08, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 9 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to List of organizations historically described as communist fronts by the United States government. Participants unanimously agreed that lowercasing "communist" was more appropriate. As for the way to end the title, "...by the United States government" attracted consensus as the most WP:CONCISE of the major options. (A still-more-concise title, "Listed communist fronts", was also proposed, but was opposed for appearing to claim that the listed organizations were all necessarily communist fronts themselves.) (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:33, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

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List of organizations historically described as Communist fronts by the United States federal government → List of organizations historically described as communist fronts by the federal government of the United States – MOS:DOCTCAPS (lowercase "communist" as in the article about communism) and to match the title of federal government of the United States. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:57, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Support lowercase "communist". Neutral on the other proposal as it would make an already long title longer. Perhaps List of organizations historically described as communist fronts by the United States could be slightly better? estar8806 (talk) ★ 22:20, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

My primary motivation is the lowercasing. I personally prefer keeping the distinction between the country and the federal government of the country, but I can see why some would consider that obvious. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:25, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Support: This does not refer to a specific party. List of organizations historically described as communist fronts by the United States government would be a bit shorter. SchreiberBike | ⌨  23:14, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

That seems like a good suggestion. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:24, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Support SchreiberBike's shorter variant List of organizations historically described as communist fronts by the United States government. Dicklyon (talk) 16:38, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Support on lower case but there has to be a good title that is much shorter. I doubt that readers will search on such a title but arrive at the target through links. Propose Listed communist fronts. This is not a list constructed by WP but a reporting of organisations listed by the HUAC or the attorney general. The lead defines the detail of the scope of the article - the who, what, when, why and how. Per WP:AT, concision is preferred over unnecessary precision. There is no actual conflict in titles with the proposal that necessarily requires greater precision for disambiguation. At the most, I see we might add US/U.S. parenthetically. Cinderella157 (talk) 11:15, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Shorter is better, but Listed communist fronts means they are communist fronts, which were listed by someone, and many of these were not communist fronts in any way. SchreiberBike | ⌨  11:26, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Listed communist fronts means they were listed as communist fronts because they had been found to be communist fronts by the HUAC and AG. Whether they actually were does not change the fact that they were listed as such. It is also why we have the lead, to give nuance to a concise article title. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:21, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Like SchreiberBike, I think "Listed communist fronts" would mean they were communist fronts that were listed, not that they were organizations that were listed as communist fronts but may have only been "included out of convenience or political expedience" and may not have had any real "covert organizational ties or actual subversive intent". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:29, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.