Talk:List of meetings between the pope and the president of the United States

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This is a new page created by myself. Suggestions and additions are welcome. Thanks in advance for your help!

Mtminchi08 (talk) 03:32, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

• Since Jackie Kennedy had a well-known meeting with John XXIII and likely was the only sitting First Lady to meet a Pope on her own, I added a section reflecting this. It's possible Hilary Clinton has had papal meetings in her post-First Lady role as Secretary of State, however. 70.72.211.35 (talk) 17:01, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

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(WP:BOLD) I am narrowing the scope of this article so that it focuses only on the visits of the President of the United States to the Vatican. This follows the pattern of other international US presidential visit articles. I will also be change the article title from List of meetings between the Pope and the President of the United States to United States presidential visits to Vatican City. I plan to create a new article listing papal visits to the United States, in the near future. I also will note that articles already exist detailing the international travels of Paul VI, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, & Francis. Drdpw (talk) 01:23, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Best to keep all meetings in a single article. This one is not so large that it needs to be split. In addition, this article was not designed as part of the "other international US presidential visit articles" but rather like listings of summits such as the List of Soviet Union–United States summits, List of G-20 summits, NATO summit, and Summits of the Americas.

When a US President visits China or France or Brazil or any other nation, he usually has a major itinerary of meetings with various people there rather than just with the head of state or head of government. When the President visits the Vatican, he meets with the Pope and that's it. That's the whole point of the visit - meeting the pope. The Vatican City State is only 108 acres. It's not as if Eisenhower or Nixon or Obama went there to discuss steel production with the Holy See Minister of Industry or oil drilling rights in the Vatican Gardens. A Google search for "president meets pope" produces about 18,700,000 results. A Google search for "president visits Vatican" only gives 800,000 results.

Removing sourced information (nearly half the content) until "the near future" when you "plan to create a new article" isn't helpful to someone who may be looking for this information NOW. The article has been stable for more than five years. Hacking it apart so it can be shoehorned into the Presidential travel template is just unnecessary. Mtminchi08 (talk) 06:05, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

A neutral notice requesting additional feedback and comments has been place on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Catholicism and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lists Mtminchi08 (talk) 06:23, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

This article - meetings between the President of the U.S. and the Pope, should stay as it is. I assume that Popes have visited the U.S. without meeting the President, but even if not, Papal visits to the U.S. aren't only about meetings with the President, so a separate article about Papal visits to the U.S. does not supersede the utility of having all Papal-Presidential meetings in a separate list article. Argyriou (talk) 18:46, 19 March 2016 (UTC)