Talk:List of debutante balls in the United States

US-Centric presentation

The article currently only includes balls in the United States. The custom of debutante balls is much more widespread than just the United States and should reflect this, or the article title should be changed to reflect the current narrow content. AusTerrapin (talk) 11:08, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

All it is waiting for is someone who knows about such events in other countries, someone willing to add the information. Binksternet (talk) 03:51, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, with a little luck, tagging it and adding the project banner will increase the likelihood of someone dropping by with that knowledge, or the time and inclination to track it down. In the mean time it helps to more overtly raise awareness in those reading the article that the list is currently missing other areas of the world. AusTerrapin (talk) 07:50, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure that named annual public debutante balls of this type exist or ever existed anywhere else. They never existed in the UK, from whence America acquired the concept of the debutante ball, before transforming it into something it never was here, and retaining it more than half a century after we abandoned it. When debutantes still existed in the UK, the girls went through two key events, presentation at court, which was not a ball, and their own personal ball, which was usually held in their father's house. Mowsbury (talk) 02:33, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

And the main article refers to debutante balls that still exist in the Philippines and Latin America, but they seem to be personal parties, not the type of public annual ball covered by this list. I am going to move the article to a U.S. specific title, as this appears to be a U.S. specific subject. The move can always be reverted if anyone discovers that these things happen anywhere else. Mowsbury (talk) 02:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

There are public annual debutante balls in Australia, particularly in rural areas. I don't know whether any of them would be considered significant enough to merit entry on a Wikipedia list though. AusTerrapin (talk) 04:17, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced, non-notable entries

The majority of this list is made up of entries for which there are not Wikipedia articles (the usual standard for notability on lists like this, and there are only a few sourced entries (the usual requirement for any content on Wikipedia). That means the list should be trimmed substantially. However it'd be better if editors can improve it instead. I'll add improvement tags, but may return later to delete non-notable and unsourced entries.   Will Beback  talk  06:19, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 17 October 2018

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The result of the move request was: Not moved per discussion. (non-admin closure) –Ammarpad (talk) 09:25, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

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List of debutante balls in the United States → List of balls in the United States – If determination of definition and enyclopedic relevance of "balls" is hard, it isn't less hard for "debutante balls". Better simplify it while broadening the scope a little, in equivalence with List of balls in Vienna. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:20, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose This is a considerable expansion, and the term ball is open to a wide range of meanings. PatGallacher (talk) 01:01, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per PatGallacher. "Balls" has too many other meanings besides the debutante kind — there are, for example, drag balls, masquerade balls, hunt balls, school proms and ballroom dance competitions. And even that's just if you restrict your list of considerations to the kind of ball where people dress up and dance — given Wikipedia's vulnerability to stupid edits by vandals and jokers, I'm not prepared to simply trust that nobody would ever try to add Lucille Ball or a brand of sporting goods or their buddy's testicles to an undabbed "list of balls" as a joke or a dumb but honest misunderstanding of the list's purpose. So if the list is meant to be restricted to debutante balls, and not to include school proms or ball culture events where men in dresses vogue, then its title needs to explicitly say that. Bearcat (talk) 15:27, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. This has such potential to become a joke that at first I thought it was just that, but nom is a respected and (normally) sensible Wikipedian. But in any case let's not go there. Andrewa (talk) 22:59, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

  For the record, the requested move was a serious intention in equivalence with List of balls in Vienna. Have a nice day! Chicbyaccident (talk) 23:56, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

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Beyond traditional "girl-boy pairings"?

I know next to nothing about DBs, but I cannot help wondering if there were/are any DBs that challenge, or expand beyond, the traditional "girl-boy pairings". (Drag and vogue DBs? LGBTQ DBs? Not just couples? Everybody together of any/all preferences and presentations?) Acwilson9 (talk) 23:21, 23 June 2020 (UTC)