Talk:Lincoln County War

Credibility

Just letting whoever wrote this know, that most of your informtion is false ....get back to the books...you got alot to learn!!

So do you, rewrite the article if you think you can do it better. Fred Bauder 19:57, 30 Aug 2003 (UTC)

All the info was from The Old West: The Gunfighters, Paul Trachtman, (Time Life Books; 1974). If you can do better then please do so. But simply leaving a stupid and less than helpful remark is not going to improve the article. Which parts are incorrect? Instead of complaining why don't you get to work. --mav 20:30, 30 Aug 2003 (UTC)

To the writer: You should add more reliable sources to your article. As a history professor, I can confirm that your information is correct as told by the Old West journalists. You must keep in mind that all of these gunfighting stories invovled in the Lincoln County War were severely romanticized by journalists in the large newspapers, such as The Independent. Having said that, historians have managed to separate the fact from fiction to a considerable degree, although some matters, check that, most matters remain the subject of debate. Most often times, the "facts" presented are nothing more than the opinions of the speaker. However, your article represents a factual overview of the war and for this you are to be applaused. Still, you must get more reliable sources. Although the Young Guns movies are an accurate retelling of some of the War, there are large portions left out, and some portions that are clearly fictional. Just for reference, the article German organized crime has been nominated for deletion despite the obvious truth of the matters therein (if the FBI investigates something, it's probably true; after all, they're not P.I.'s getting their licenses revoked, are they) because of a lack of reliable sources. This is a good article, and I'd hate to see it nominated for deletion. Please find some sources. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jgarrison (talk • contribs) .

i live in Fort Sumner NM and all of this information is most deffenitly true. Thank you for putting so much time and effort into teaching people about it.71.222.180.221 21:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

It's overheated in tone, almost pulpish, and deficient in providing proper context. You can't understand why the sides of Tunstall and Dolan came to blows, for example, and the entries of important players like the U.S. cavalry are left here as a complete mystery. It doesn't explain how it really ended, or what the fallout was, and gives too much heed to trivialities like the proper nickname of a minor player like Dave Rudabaugh. It's also biased towards the Regulators, not only in coverage but in content: for instance, because of competing judges and officers just about everybody participating in the war had been deputized by somebody, and just about everybody had a warrant against him issued by somebody. That ought to be mentioned and explained, but instead the Regulators' murdering of a guy like Andrew Roberts is partly ameliorated by the article noting they were serving out warrants, while comparable actions like the Seven Rivers cowboys' killing McSween at the Five Days' Battle are not. 71.129.81.136 19:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

As with everything there are at least three sides to every story. What one party says, what the other party says, and the middle ground. However, in this case I am going to the middle ground but leaning towards the Regulators. Roberts was wanted on a felony arrest warrant for the murder of Tunstall because he was a member of that posse. I believe McSween and party were wanted on warrants for "riot", whatever that means. I do not believe that "Riot" is a felony, but I could be wrong. It also should be noted that The Seven Rivers boys set fire to the McSween house knowing full well that there were 2 women and 5 innocent children in the home. Also New Mexico Territorial Attorney General Catron now either owned or held the mortgage on all of the Dolan properties. Catron had defended Dudley in the Court Martial where Dudley was convicted and stripped of his duties, and Catron was the business partner of New Mexico's representative, Elkins. Somehow, the President of the United States decided to reinstate Dudley and order the Army to assign him to the Lincoln County area.Hmmmmmm is that why Dudley was so one sided in his actions??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gordontaos (talk • contribs) 16:54, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Who is Tunstall?

He's not explained, and only his last name is mentioned. --AW (talk) 17:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

By: D. Salazar, direct descendant of Yginio Salazar who worked for Tunstall. Tunstall was a young Englishman who had crossed the ocean in hopes of starting a new life. Instead, he rode into the west and became embroiled in a fight over politics, greed, corruption, Mercantiles, government beef contracts, and race. He was killed in his early twenties, was never married and is buried in a tin coffin behind his mercantile. In reference to the comment below: The Regulators were cowboys who worked for Mr. Tunstall. Yes, they were deputized by the Justice of the Peace and carried warrants for those involved in the Tunstall murder.

I don't have an account so I wont be editing this huge chunk of crap, but I will say that there are way to many mistakes on it and somebody, anybody, needs to fix it. For example, the regulators were never on the other side of the tunstall fence, the regulators formed after tunstall was killed and Billy was very much a part of the gang, who by the way didn't start of as outlaws, they were deputized, this is only the tip of the iceberg. Please someone fix this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.133.70 (talk) 01:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Usage of "ibid"

Please change the "ibids" in the References section back to the appropriate reference per WP:Ibid.
 —  ^{.`</sup>^) Paine Ellsworth<sup>diss`cuss} (^^`.  19:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

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Spanish land grants lost following Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo adjudication

https://www.fs.usda.gov/research/treesearch/37687#:~:text=During%20the%20land%20grant%20adjudication,later%20sold%20to%20the%20government. "The U.S. Forest Service (FS) has a long, shared history with the Spanish and Mexican land grants of northern New Mexico. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which ended the war between the United States and Mexico, was supposed to recognize and respect the property rights of the resident Hispano population. In many cases the intent of the Treaty was not honored. During the land grant adjudication processes after U.S. conquest of the region in 1848, much community land from these grants was declared public domain, eventually becoming part of the northern New Mexico national forests. Other grant lands went into private ownership and were later sold to the government. While some fraudulent claims were rejected, many legitimate claims were also rejected. Claims from families who had farmed and ranched their land for generations were denied because of lost, incomplete, or inconsistent documents (Eastman, 1991). Some villagers lost confirmed land because they were unable to pay land taxes under the American system of monetary payments. Land grant loss remains an issue of bitter controversy." 2601:280:4C80:F030:2524:59D8:6A77:26C5 (talk) 18:36, 22 June 2023 (UTC)