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In French, the lake is sometimes, perhaps most frequently, called Lac Léman. (And in German, Genfersee).
- Yes, That is true even for the population of Geneva. It is very rare to hear lac de Genève in Geneva. /Popup 12:47, 2004 Feb 5 (UTC)
- Completely agree! Moved from Lake Geneva to Leman Lake (according to the original Roman name of the lake). -- Quattrop ~16:00, 03 Aug 2005 (SGT)
Recent move from "Lake Geneva" to "Leman Lake"
This move should be undone. The lake is indeed usually called "lac Léman" in French, but the overwhelming majority of English usage is "Lake Geneva". Google supports that assertion: "Leman Lake" 5550 vs. "Lake Geneva" 648,000 or 884 vs. 187,000 if you add "Switzerland" to the query. Rl 10:39, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
- Done. -- User:docu
- Except Lake Geneva also refers to a lake in wiskonsin, "lake geneva" has more hits because of that. In fact, the first results to come up on google.com, both text and image, are about lake geneva, WI, which is both a town and a lake. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 22:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC) Dekox
Lac Léman is used only by French people (to remember us that a small corner belong to France) and frustrated minor towns around Lake Geneva, they can't stand this name "Lac de Genève". I'm a Geneva citizen, you can belive me, we call it Lac de Genève or simply "le Lac".
- Wow, this is nicely POV. It would be more correct to say that Lac Léman is the official name in French (and therfore used by every French speaker, excpet ---as the above comment seems to demonstrate--- by a some inhabitants from Geneva who think they are the center of the world). However, it is true, that in english the name Lake Geneva is much more common. As this is the English Wikipedia, the article should be named Lake Geneva
Resident of Montreux syas: Actually Lac Leman is not used by frustrated 'French' on the south shore. The rest of the lake is surrounded by French speaking Swiss who prefer use 'Lac Leman'. The Swiss of the region do not like the term Lake Geneva since it suggests the lake is an extension of Geneva, when actually Geneva is at the very end of the lake as it runs into the Rhone river. Swiss in Lausanne, Vevey, Montreux and all towns feel offended when thelake is assigned as the property of Geneva. Lac Leman is the correct name.
- I am a Geneva citizen too. I usually call the lake Leman "Lake geneva". However, I and every one knows it is in fact called lake Leman. Only people from Geneva call it the lake Geneva. As a Scuba diver I see many people from around the lake (of whom people from Geneva is just a minority), and it is true they feel ofended when people from Geneva call it Lake Geneva. I suppose english people erroneously believe it is called lake Geneva because of the international status of Geneva: thus english speaking people mostly meet people from Geneva which are the only people using the unofficial name "lake Geneva". Do what you want with this, but it is a fact that 1) The official name is Lake Leman 2) Only in Geneva is it called lake Geneva (and every one knows it is not the official name)
3) I would say in Geneva people call it lake Geneva and lake Leman 50% of the time... In views of these facts, the page needs to mention this naming ambiguity. --Powo 00:16, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I live in a small minor town around the lake, I use 50% each "lac de Geneve" and "lac leman". So what's the problem? :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 01:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
On french TV the name of lake Geneva is as well used. But "lac léman" is more right. I live in Geneva as well and my friend and me say lac léman... --184.108.40.206 18:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I think you will find that the official (Swiss) name in French is "Le Léman". That name is used as the title for sheet #40 of the Swiss National Map (1:100.000 series: http://www.swisstopo.ch/en/products/analog/maps/tk100), and many other references can be found here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9man_%28homonymie%29. I agree with others below that the lake is popularly referred to by the Swiss as "Lac Léman". I've lived in Geneva for 30 years and never heard "Lac de Genève", although there are so many new arrivals, foreigners and tourists that anything goes... You will also hear local English speakers say "the Léman" 220.127.116.11 17:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
As a true local, born and educated in Geneva, i can affirm that "Lake Geneva" or "Lac de Genève" is considered and *error*; this name is mostly used if you want to piss off people from Lausanne (call it "le petit village de pêcheurs au bord du lac de Genève") ;P otherwise, the correct name is Leman Lake (or Lake Léman, whichever..) and it is the name that has been used looooong before the erroneous "Lake Geneva" was introduced (if I recall correctly, originally to describe the lower, thin portion of the lake near Geneva). Even though a vast amount of people uses the incorrect name "Lake Geneva", the correct and official name is "Leman Lake" and the article should be moved to "Leman Lake". ---- Konrad-EN (talk) 08:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
As pointed out earlier, the issue is not what French-speaking people call it, but what English-speaking people call it. I agree that in French is is "Lac Leman", whether you are French, Swiss, or any other nationality. But in English, it is "Lake Geneva", as far as I know (and I live there). And in German it is "Genfersee".--Gautier lebon (talk) 10:30, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
This discussion seems to have been restarted by a recent edit. If anybody can document that the English-language name of the lake is something other than "Lake Geneva", then please provide the citation to that effect. Otherwise the name should remain as "Lake Geneva".--Gautier lebon (talk) 11:34, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes there are, and yes they are. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 21:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
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Surface Area Comparison to Lake Balaton
It seems that there are contradicting assertions for both Lake Leman and Lake Balaton in Hungary. Both claim to be the largest lake in Central Europe, but the surface area clearly indicates Balaton is the largest (making Leman the second largest). A quick survey of several sites seem to confirm this, although the surface areas for Balaton seem to differ slightly. Any reason why the comment on the largest lake in C.E. should remain for lake Leman? --mexicatl 16:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Ignore above comment, I was looking at an older version of the page. --mexicatl 16:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, in surface, but it is the largest in volume 22.214.171.124 (talk) 22:05, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Largest in Western Europe?
The assertion that the lake is the largest in Western Europe requires that one consider (as the UN Statistics Division) Scandinavia + Finland (which both have larger lakes) to be outside Western Europe. This is OK, although UNESCO has another definition (see article about Western Europe).
It is however more problematic to exclude the Netherlands from Western Europe. Although we are talking about lakes that have been created, Markermeer and Lake Yssel are both larger. See: List of largest lakes of Europe. Changes should hence be made in at least one of the three mentioned articles.
I would also question the statement about the lake being the "largest body of freshwater in continental Europe in term of volume", as Lake Ladoga is far bigger (water volume 837 km3). The referred source may have been based on "Germanic studies" as referred to in the Continental Europe page and could therefore have excluded Karelia from "Kontinentaleuropa". This isn't consistent with the modern use of the term and thus the statement is quite misleading. JukkaZitting (talk) 14:43, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
"Lake Geneva is considered offensive outside Geneva": reverted per BRD
I removed the anon-added "It is useful to know for visitors that in places around the lake other than Geneva, the use of the name Lac de Genève might be considered offensive, while Lac Léman is a mark of respect" as an over-the-top unsourced POV addition. As we would say in those places around the lake other than Geneva, "faut quand même pas déconner non plus".
You'll have to bring serious references, preferably also in French, to support the notion that a foreigner referring to it as "Lake Geneva" in Lausanne is being offensive. MLauba (talk) 18:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
No objections on my side to the deletion. I live here, and have never heard anybody express offense or respect. Also, the many germanophones around here call it Genfersee, no matter where they live. I guess that I was being too lenient when I edited the remark and added the requestion for citation: deleting does seem more appropriate.--Gautier lebon (talk) 13:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
This discussion seems to have been restarted by a recent edit. If anybody can document that the English-language name of the lake is something other than "Lake Geneva", then please provide the citation to that effect. Otherwise the name should remain as "Lake Geneva".--Gautier lebon (talk) 11:35, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Strange claims removed
I removed the claims about the lake being the largest in Western Europe and the largest freshwater lake in Continental Europe, as neither is correct. Look at lakes like Lake Vänern or Lake Saimaa, not to mention Lake Ladoga. There are a lot of other lakes, all larger that Lake Geneva, in Russia, Sweden and Finland, all of which are part of Continental Europe.Jeppiz (talk) 12:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
- I see your point. Lake Lagoda is not in Western Europe, and apparently the citation  used a definition of "Western Europe" which excluded Finland and Sweden (and also excluded Estonia). There is a good list at List_of_largest_lakes_of_Europe. On that basis, I support your deletion. But I've added a link to that list, so that people can see for themselves how big it is in relative terms.--Gautier lebon (talk) 11:32, 17 June 2010 (UTC)