Talk:John I of Portugal

Acclamation or Coronation?

This is in response to recent edits by User:Walrasiad. Pay attention to pages 179-180 about information regarding the Roman Pontifical of Braga and Coimbra dioceses from 12th and 13th centuries (why bother including a coronation rite if it's never performed?): https://repositorio.ucp.pt/bitstream/10400.14/17362/1/V02402-173-194.pdf The entire Latin ceremony is described from page 185 onwards. Pay attention to section 14 (pages 189-190). The metropolitan bishop alone crowns the King's head, intoning the words: "Accipe coronam regni..."

Here's also a video of a professor from the University of Coimbra discussing the Coronation of Sebastian of Portugal: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MG0dcJ9ZiOg

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Quote "Fernando...died in captivity in Fez". Is this Fez in Morocco? --Menchi 10:05, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

• Yes dear Menchi, the man is a Portuguese Saint, with according holiday, because he preferred to die in captivity rather than be free on the exchange of Ceuta. I'm planning an article on him, but catholic saints aren't very exciting. Muriel Victoria

"Good Memory??"

I don't speak Portuguese. Does his nickname "John of the Good Memory" really mean that he never forgot things? I suspect that it really means that, after he died, his subjects looked back on his reign with happy memories. In that case the proper English translation would be "John of Happy Memory". jnestorius^(talk)

Is "the one of good memory" because it is remembered as a good king. Yes, in english John of Happy Memory probably sounds better. I will wait for more discussion on this before edit. Câmara 22:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Joestynes, that's correct. The proper translation should be John of Happy Memory, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the king's actual intellectual ability. Even the Portuguese Wikipedia explains it. Let's just change it: there is no discussion to be had because the meaning of the name isn't even up for debate, and you can go to Fernão Lopes or Eanes de Zurara for sources should you need them. --Goblin ^›talk 16:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Please, correct two errors

This «This was in effect a declaration of war against Castile» it´s a falacy. Castile made war against Portugal, not Portugal against Castile. Juan I and his wife, Beatrice, have not title to be king and queen of Castile, Leon and Portugal, as they were acclaimed in Toledo in 1383, joining the signs of the two kingdoms. All what Juan I of Castile has done was in violation of the treaty of Salvaterra de Magos, negociated on March of 1383. You can read Pero Lopez Ayala, a cronista of Castile of that time, in his Cronica del rei don Juan lo primero de Castilla e de Leon, 5º year, chapters IX and XI, and 12º year, chapters I and II: it´s clear as water. The Cortes of 1385 didn´t exclude her as heiress in retrospect, João das Regras invoked the Treaty of Salvaterra and it's violations to consider and make constitucional (lato sensu) law so. She lost her rights since the day her husband proclaimed the two as king and queen of a single kindgdom that never existed: the mirage of the kingdom of Castile and of Leon, and of Portugal. And he did so since the beginning after the death of king Fernando of Portugal. There are no portuguese historians and, for what I no, there are also no spanish historians, that defend such theory of Beatrice as queen of Portugal. So please, confirm what I say and correct the articles about de 1383-1385 Crisis in Portugal.

I have correct for you the date of birth of João I, from 1357 to 1358, the real date, because it's a error of many (but not all) portuguese historians, as, for example, Mattoso and Joel Serrão. The truly ýear it´s 1358. Confirm on Crónica de D. Pedro I, chapter I, and Crónica de D. João I,chapter CXCII, last part, of our cronista Fernão Lopes. My excuses for my very bad english, um abraço88.157.243.179 (talk) 15:49, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

John/João Discussion

An RfC/RM discussion has opened up on the talk page Talk:João VI of Portugal#RfC, about the spelling of the article title for King John/João VI, which will probably be relevant to this article. Should the name be spelled in Portuguese or in English? Please give your comments and opinions over there. Walrasiad (talk) 03:48, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

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"natural son"

Surelu illegitimate is clearer? Any reason why this should not be changed? Snori (talk) 21:45, 5 July 2017 (UTC)