Talk:Jared Bernstein

Objectivity

This article as it is posted on June 1 2011 is clearly objective and within guidlines.

Beisenbe (talk) 11:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I suggest that the following three sentences be added to the section on Publications.

"A search of EconLit shows that Mr. Bernstein has not yet published an article in a peer-reviewed economics journal. EconLit, the American Economic Association's electronic database, is the world's foremost source of references to economic literature. The database contains more than 1.1 million records from 1886-present."

I think this is relevant information because, although Mr. Bernstein is often listed as an economist, his Ph.D. is in Social Welfare. He has not published an article in a peer-reviewed economics journal and, thus, is not recognized as an economist by professional economists. His expertise is in social policy -- not scientific research in economics.

Let me know what you think.

I think you are correct. I looked this up because Bernstein just made a fool of himslef on MSNBC. His "opinions" regarding the timing of the effects of fiscal stimulus are smthg that any PhD economist would laugh at- he thinks such effects are instantaneous. His argument is also an example of the post-hoc fallacy. Such pseudo economists make my profession look bad. D.W.M. Ph.D.

Ebw343 (talk) 18:48, 1 June 2011 (UTC) ebw343

Hello Ebw343. :-) I saw your comment/question on the BLP noticeboard and reviewed your addition to the article. It looks to me that the material was removed because it was original research. On Wikipedia we do not engage in independent fact finding through interviews or research. Instead, Wikipedia editors rely on reliable sources to cover a topic, then we add the material to an article. So, your search of the EconLit database is original research and can not be added to the article. In order for this information to be added to an article, a reliable secondary source will need to report it first. I hope that helps. FloNight♥♥♥♥ 14:44, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Whatnot, etc

There is no need whatsoever to list what the subject of a Wikipedia article is not! Only where there is a clearly notable misunderstanding about the article's subject should editors dare clarify something - and even then with extreme caution. I must remind my fellow editors the very strict guidelines of the Wikipedia rule on Biographies of Living Persons. As a secondary observation, please refrain from loaded terms (e.g. "Jew") and unsubstantiated opinions. Cheers. -The Gnome (talk) 11:38, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Economist?

I'm going to object to the description of Bernstein as an 'American economist'. Bernstein holds no doctorate in economics and has currently authored precisely zero publications in mainstream economics journals.

If you do research into Bernstein's background what you will learn is that he is a labor activist and big union mouthpiece who is placed in economic advisory roles by left-wing politicians. He is the economic equivalent to an Exxon-Mobile executive who is made 'head scientist' at a right-wing think tank.

Whoever edited this article needs to seriously consider coming up with a more accurate description of this guy. I'll check back here in the near future. Jonathan f1 (talk) 02:25, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

He is an economist. He is not publishing in the academic literature, but nobody is calling him an academic economist. A Ph.D. in economics is not a requirement, like ordination, to be called an economist. Many right-wing economists come out of and go back into the corporate world and don't have a Ph.D. in economics either. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:05, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Ah okay so I'm assuming you apply the same standards to oil executives who call themselves "scientists" and are hired by think tanks as "scientists" to poke holes in global warming theory?

Bernstein is not an economist and is not recognized as an economist by anyone outside the fringe bubble of left-wing think tanks. I'm going to review the criteria for professional titles on here and might open up a section on the NPOV page.Jonathan f1 (talk) 14:04, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

And by the way -my opinion on 'right-wing' pseudo-economists is the same. This is not about 'left' or 'right' but an individual whose claim to the title of 'economist' is dubious at best. Jonathan f1 (talk) 14:06, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

He worked for the Department of Labor as an economist. He worked for VP Joe Biden as an economist. Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman calls him an economist. He's an economist. Cullen328 (talk) 21:20, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

This was discussed on the NPOV noticeboard and the consensus was "reliable sources call him an economist, therefore he's an economist." I accept this conclusion.

Although there was one editor who was of the opinion that titles like 'economist', 'scientist' or 'historian' should be reserved for academics to avoid confusion. I agree with him on this point but we appear to be in the minority. Bernstein is not in fact an 'academic economist'; he operates primarily in the think tank/policy-making world and he has relatively few mainstream economic publications to his name. Almost all of his research is published in 'heterodox' or basically fringe journals where they are not actually performing scientific research. Something to consider.. Jonathan f1 (talk) 23:33, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Please see this recent RS. Some of OP's comments may not be BLP compliant. Please exercise due restraint. SPECIFICO talk 01:55, 15 April 2023 (UTC)