Talk:Jack Horner (comics)

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Question about blue ox?

What is the deal with the though ballons, is he insane, day dreaming or something. I have been readinf for a while but with gaps from reading month to month don't get it. Anyone can explain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnum17x (talk • contribs) 06:35, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Page Title

Seems to me that as his name is Jack Horner, that really ought to be the title of the page rather than "Jack of the Tales", which is acknowledged as a mere pseudonym. --Tailkinker 22:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Move to Jack of Tales?

I don't recall Jack ever being refered to as "Jack of the Tales". Perhaps a move is in order? --Agent Aquamarine 00:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

In the second issue of the spin-off, I'm pretty sure he tells Revise "you can't hurt me- I'm Jack of All the Tales" or something like that. This page seems like something of a compromise, since, even though Jack Horner is apparently his "true" name, we have no idea what that actually means in the Fables context. I don't think there's anything wrong as is, but I'd fine with Jack (Fables). Stilgar135 04:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Wait, I just rubbed the sleep out of my eyes and realized what you're suggesting. That's a good idea too, but I don't think the definite article really makes any difference. Stilgar135 15:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Throughout the series he's usually just refered to as "Jack", but renaming the article "Jack (Fables)" or "Jack (Comics)" would be problematic. I think "Jack of Tales" is the best choice.--Agent Aquamarine 21:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, you're proposing renaming it anyway, so I see no reason why it can't be renamed to whatever we feel is right. It's stated pretty clearly that his name is Jack Horner, with everything else being a pseudonym, so the obvious page title would be either that or Jack Horner (Fables). Jack of Tales sounds pretty awkward to me, frankly - best left as it is, with the "the" in place, if we're going to go with something like that. --Tailkinker 22:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia naming standards state that we should use the commonly used names as article titles. Yes, his name is Jack Horner, but he's almost never refered to by it. A "(Fables)" tag is pretty much out of the question, since most people would assume that redirects to the actual Fable version. We might as well call the article "Jack Frost (Comics)" or "Jack Be Nimble (Comics)". He's almost always just called "Jack", but "Jack (Comics)" is too ambiguous, and I don't think he's ever called "Jack of the Tales". Jack of Tales is the next best thing.--Agent Aquamarine 04:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

When's he ever referred to as Jack of Tales? He isn't, so you can hardly put that forward as the proposed article title based on it being the commonly used name because, purely and simply, it isn't; ninety-nine times out of a hundred he's simply referred to as Jack. And you're quite wrong with regard to the (Fables) tag - we've used it quite successfully with Snow White, Geppetto, Pinocchio and Blue and there've been no complaints that I'm aware of. If the naming standards say that we have to use the commonly used name as the article title, then Jack (Fables) is the only possible option. --Tailkinker 07:49, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I can't dig up my comics at the moment, but I'm sure he's refered to as "Jack of Tales" at least a few times, at least in narration. Where would we have dug up the "Jack of the Tales" title had he never been called anything other than just "Jack"? What I meant about the (Fables) tag is that if most people type "Jack (Fables)" into the search box, they're going to expect an article about the Jack from the actual fables. While the comic has a fairly large fanbase, it doesn't eclipse the actual fairy tales it's based on. We don't have 1000 notable people named Snow White or Boy Blue, so we can divide those articles into "Snow White" and "Snow White (Fables)". Here, it's a bit more complicated.--Agent Aquamarine 17:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, no, I have to disagree with you again. If somebody's looking for an article on a Jack detailed in one of the mythological stories, they certainly wouldn't type in Jack (Fables). What they would type would be Jack and the Beanstalk or Jack Be Nimble or Jack Frost; the full title of whichever story they were looking for information on, not something as non-specific as Jack (Fables).

Moving on, I do have my trade paperbacks to hand and a quick flip through some of them has totally failed to discover any incidences where he's refered to as Jack of Tales, although I'll freely admit that it wasn't a thorough scouring. As it happens, though, in the storyline where he meets up with Death during the Civil War, the narration in the very first panel refers to him as Jack of THE Tales, so that would seem to clear up where we got that particular name from. Regardless of where it appears, the fact remains that that particular title is used only rarely and thus cannot possibly be considered the "commonly used name" demanded by the naming standards that you cite. Bigby Wolf, for example, is occasionally referred to as Gaffer Wolf, but this is merely an occasionally used title, just as Jack of the Tales is and should not be confused with a genuine name; nobody would suggest that Gaffer Wolf should be the title for his page. On the other hand, the character listing that appears at the beginning of the later trades invariably identifies Jack as Jack Horner, making it pretty definitive that Willingham intends that to be his real name, just as has been stated in the comic itself. With that in mind, I see no reason for us not to use Jack Horner (Fables) as the title for the page. --Tailkinker 20:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Title Change

Right, well, the debate seems to have fizzled out. It seems to me that, if the Wikipedia naming conventions are to be followed, then the title of this page should be Jack Horner (Fables), for the reasons that I've outlined above. Unless anybody has a particularly compelling argument for some other title, I'm going to make the necessary alterations. --Tailkinker 21:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

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