Talk:Entheogen
Latest comment: 17 days ago by Thoric in topic Alcohol is not generally considered an entheogen?
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Alcohol is not generally considered an entheogen? edit
I added alcohol (but it was actually already listed), then @Skyerise: removed it (actually removed much more than alcohol] 94.255.152.53 (talk) 18:46, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
@Skyerise: "Other well-known entheogens used by Mexican cultures include the alcoholic Aztec sacrament pulque" was added in March 2015 by @Rjwilmsi:. Back then the section was called Controversial entheogens. Should we restore that section? --94.255.152.53 (talk) 18:57, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- The fact that some specific drinks that contain alcohol that also contain psychoactive substances does not make all alcohol entheogenic. In general, alcohol is not considered entheogenic and you have not provided any reliable sources that suggest otherwise. Skyerise (talk) 19:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Typically entheogens are substances which have historical evidence of being used to facilitate a transformative experience that is believed to involve a revealing of, or generation of the "Divine" within, and not simply a substance which is associated with ceremonial use, and this is why sacramental wine for example, is not typically considered to be an "entheogen" by definition. This is because the term "entheogen" was actually coined as a replacement for the word "psychedelic" when describing sacramental use of "hallucinogenic" substances. Thus, substances like coca leaves, while considered very sacred in the Andes, and referred to as "Mama Coca", are not typically considered to be entheogens. So I would say that one dividing line would be whether or not the substance is considered to be a hallucinogen (which would include substances such as psychedelics, dissociatives, and deliriants). Another dividing line would be whether or not this substance had traditional sacred/ceremonial use. Lastly, entheogens are typically plants, or preparations made from plants. Now, some exceptions for alcohol may be wines which have been mixed or made with herbs known to have hallucinogenic properties, in which case the alcohol serves more as a solvent than as the entheogenic substance itself. Thoric (talk) 22:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)