Talk:Dillo

Dillo

Frames, Tabs, SSL, I18N and others

The article does not mention the existence of the multitude of patches to overcome many of Dillo 1.x´s perceived shortcomings. Before the project ground to a halt there was a period of quite active development by external developers which lead to the introduction of support for frames and tabs, https, asian languages and more (see [1] for a list of features). When it became clear that the core developers (Jorge and Sebastian) were not interested in adopting external patches and instead started to actively drive external developers away from the project, most of those who worked on Dillo gave up. Dillo development ground to a halt while the core developers concentrated on finding financial sponsors instead of actual development, an attitude which seemed counterproductive in the face of the number of volunteer developers willing to participate in the project. Many of the original patch sites have since disappeared, but the accumulated efforts of this period of activity can still be found ([2]). The patches are/were commonly applied by package maintainers like Damn Small Linux Dillo so the efforts of those external developers were not in vain. Egnaledknarf (talk) 15:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Windows version?

I see only Gnu/Linux and NetBSD on the Dillo download page at http://www.dillo.org/download.html --Wootery 14:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Dillo for Windows is a not supported not official and unstable port. FedericoMP 02:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation?

Given that free software is a worldwide phenomenon and “LL” can either sound like an English “Y” or an “L” it might be helpful to clarify the pronunciation of this program.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.183.100.8 (talk) 19:32, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

PS2 port?

Wait, hold on a second. You say this browser will work on a PS2. Do tell me more... --Hyad

Yes, with the Linux kit - run it m'self sometimes. (see [3] in the cfyc section of the playstation2-linux.com site) --Bob aka Linuxlad 13:57, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

That is a little misleading though, as Firefox will also run on PS2 linux, as will Mozilla and konqueror. Dillo is just a standard program, and ps2 linux can run any linux program, so saying that a "feature" of dillo is ps2 compatibility seems a little bit pointless to me, as browsing the articles for Gaim, Rhythmbox, Gedit, Gimp, etc, don't state "ps2 linux compatibility" as a feature.

Er? What is misleading, please? - 1) I too have tried Firefox on the ps2 - it is horrible, lots of paging. 2) The ps2 is, by modern standards, a small-memory, slow machine and 3) dillo is a browser with a very small memory footprint.

No one is claiming dillo is especially designed for the ps2, but it is designed for machines LIKE the ps2. I also run dillo on my old (slackware 4 powered) 486 laptop - get the picture? --Linuxlad 08:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Mac OS X port

I have not seen a native port of Dillo to the Mac OSX. Why is it in Mac OSX category? --Anon.

Probably because of the GNU Darwin packages linked in the downloads page. --maru (talk) contribs 04:09, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Development continues?

Is dillo really dead now? The wait for the new all-singing FLTK version has been very long and there's no news or any sign of progress for *months*. This is equivalent to 5cm layer of dust in open source world.

Well 0.8.6 wasn't out very long ago, and had some FLTK2 components (I remember it took an age to get them working on the PS2). As for the recent picture why not check out the recent commits on cvs. Bob aka Linuxlad 16:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Dillo's not dead. The development is proceeding but not in public because of lack of funds, which are a must for futher development.

obviously not, if development is proceeding. dillo isn't dead, it's being held hostage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by A plague of rainbows (talk • contribs) 19:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Seems like the project is dead now. I got confirmation today from criticalhit.net, that they has bought the domain. The intend to sell it: https://web.archive.org/web/20220810101323/http://dillo.org/contact.txt. I have asked them to forward my wish for contact with Jorge och someone else in the team But everything points to that the project is dead. Mail to *@dillo.org bounce.

The external link to freecode is dead. Archive her: https://web.archive.org/web/20170715205516/http://freecode.com/projects/dillo-web-browser/. I do not know how to change. RickardBH (talk) 18:01, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

The ex — Preceding unsigned comment added by RickardBH (talk • contribs) 17:29, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Highly Secure

"Dillo is highly secure - cookies are disabled by default, for instance." OK so maybe it's a secure browser, but I hardly think having cookies disabled shows it as being any more or less secure than other browsers. How about a better example of what makes it secure? SilverFox 04:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Campaign link

The current link to the Dillo campaign points to a blank page on that wiki - it's been vandalised again and again by spambots, and that's it's current state. I registered and tried to revert to the change I hardlinked to, but it seems the wiki installation is broken, as the page merely dies if I attempt it, referring to a memsess() function not declared. I've tried twice. -pinkgothic 06:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Argh. That's typical. Doesn't work repeatedly before I report it, then does when I stubbornly try again. I've managed to get it reverted, so I'm, um, going to revert my change here again, I guess. Huh. Apologies for that. Not really sure what happened there (on fornix.sourceforge.com)...

Actually, in interest of integrity, rather: there has been no change to that article since January. I assume the chance of it getting vandalised by spambots - again - is pretty high. Would anyone object to keeping the link as it is now - or regularly check the page and revert if it has been spammed? -pinkgothic 07:11, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Remove Windows from supported OS?

Since Dillo is not officially available for Windows, and the project leader has expressed clear hate to the Windows platform, going as far as implying all Windows users are believers of false myths, I think Windows should be removed from Dillo's list of supported OS. Ufopedia (talk) 11:48, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Armadillo Web Browser

I saw on the Armadillo (disambiguation) page:

• "Armadillo Web Browser, now called Dillo"

however, I don't see that information on this article, or anywhere else. I've removed it from that DAB page, but it could be relisted if it is verified to be true on this article. +mt 15:54, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

"I bring it back" after 5 min search in the web I relised: Gzilla and armadillo are / were layout engines for dillo o.O mabdul 0=* 20:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

cleanup

hey remember the dot, you amke a very good job! this is really good. can you search/add information about armadillo (see above)?!? bi-directional text. you revertet that back with the argument that dillo that doesn't support that. but that says the paragraph: dillo doesn't support flash, js, [...], bi-directional trext. ? or miss i something? mabdul 0=* 18:18, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Dillo not only does not support a mixture of left-to-right and right-to-left (bi-directional) text, it doesn't support right-to-left text at all. Thanks for your feedback! I've edited the article to mention Armadillo. —Remember the dot ^(talk) 19:09, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

oh, you're right. I read again and it was my fault. sry. mabdul 0=* 21:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Development

Is a ~100 euro donation *really* significant enough to note? -- Thisisquitealongname (talk) 23:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I thought that was quite a funny mention too. 203.0.159.19 (talk) 00:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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Discontinued?

The article was edited by "Pmffl" on the 3rd of January 2019 to describe Dillo as a "discontinued" project in the summary. This has not been officially stated anywhere that I can find and the project's website still declares an intention to release the next version, V. 3.1.

The development mailing list is still slightly active, and the source respository log shows the latest contribution in October 2018. While development is clearly slow and may be very close to stalled, I don't see any justification for declaring it discontinued altogether. Computer Nerd Kev (talk) 00:04, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

I fully agree that describing it as "discontinued" is not really justified. For the time being I've added a "citation needed" tag in case there are some sources for the claimed status. For evidence, I'd have looked at distributions (Debian unstable, Fedora, Arch, NixOS) removing the package, but none of them have done so. According to the page history, somebody (User Kasijjuf) removed the "discontinued" description, after the parent comment was written, but their edit has been since reverted, "per IRC", which is not very informative. Gephyra (talk) 01:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

It seems the whole site is gone, like they lost control of the dillo.org domain… Anyone knows how to contact them? :'( Mmu man (talk) 23:04, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Usage in Wikipedia

Dillo is fast and stable compared to Firefox. The only challenge is cookie configuration. Ref. Browser notes. Rather ironic to have a nice article about Dillo when documentation to use it in the system is essentially non-existent. =8~/ Can Dillo be used to edit in Wikipedia? Someone please improve documentation for cookie configuration at least. Eventually it should be documented properly. Thanks, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 01:26, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

is there a version of this browser for Solaris/OpenSolaris?

is there a version of Dillo for Solaris (even the oldest one) 212.35.180.135 (talk) 04:08, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Dead site

Just adding a note here to say that the current URL no longer points to the actual website. As previously suggested above, it seems that this software has since been discontinued. The site is now hosted by a spammer/domain squatter who scraped the contents of the former site to maintain the idea that it never went away. However if you poke around this site even a little bit, you'll soon discover pages that shouldn't be there such as a guide to buying "secure laptops". One can dig further in to discover more pages like this. Old mercurial repository pages and mailing list pages are all dead as well. So it looks as if some changes might need to be made to the page, some a bit more extensive than just switching out the URL in the infobox. Coryoon (talk) 16:53, 08 January 2023 (UTC)

Additional note, just thought I'd say that as far as I can tell, with an ad & tracker blocking extension enabled, it seems safe to browse at the very least. Can't speak for how it is without one though, and that's one of the primary concerns. Thankfully the spammer didn't think to scrape the downloads either so that page just leads to nothing. Perhaps some extra research is needed to make sure its actually dead though? Not sure, really. Coryoon (talk) 16:59, 08 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the domain has been squatted around the end of May. I wish someone mirrored the old content to GitHub/GitLab pages. Would only take a few megabytes without including historical archives.

• https://web.archive.org/web/20220518060405/https://www.dillo.org/
• https://web.archive.org/web/20220602023156/https://www.dillo.org/

-bkil (talk) 22:27, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

You may want to check:

• https://dillo-browser.github.io/
• https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38847613

31.4.134.58 (talk) 20:42, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Do realize that DilloNG and Dillo-Plus already mentioned in the article are maintained and include a vast amount of further development. Resurrecting the old code from many years ago is counterproductive. Could you please contact whoever posted on HN to let them know? -bkil (talk) 09:12, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I posted the comment HN. I believe that you already commented this, but I will summarise my reply here.

> DilloNG and Dillo-Plus already mentioned in the article are maintained...

Maintanance not only involves adding new commits with new features, but also fixing problems in all the codebase. None of those forks seem to address the rendering issues left by the original developer Sebastian Geerken (decesed in 2016), which was the main architect of how Dillo renders a web page (you can see the history). He introduced the big GROWS refactor, but left some things unfinished. You can check the long list of issues I've been adding since the beginning of the year, and see if they are fixed elsewhere (that would really help, because the rendering engine is a complex headache).

DilloNG has not added more commits since 3 years ago, while Dillo-plus has mostly focused on adding new features and builtin protocols (which is fine).

> and include a vast amount of further development

Keep in mind that a lot of "new features" like Gopher or Gemini support, have been supported in Dillo for a long time, by using external plugins (DPIs). Those had been spread through the web, but I'm collecting them under the dillo-browser organization, so they are easy to find (they are available on the website too). While dillo-plus has been adding new features, they have also claimed that their main goal is to supportt BSD systems, which was not the original goal of Dillo, which attempted to work on as many platforms as possible. At https://github.com/dillo-browser/dillo/, I build Dillo for Ubuntu, Mac OS and FreeBSD by using the GitHub CI.

The original website (with the original content restored from the original web server like Sebastian directory or the tests, which was not indexed by the web archive) is available here: https://dillo-browser.github.io/old/index.html. I'm rewriting the website to make it more simple and also to remove some outdated information, which I place at the top: https://dillo-browser.github.io/ with a link to the old website.

> Resurrecting the old code from many years ago is counterproductive

The last offial commit that entered the mercurial repository was this one by Johannes Hofmann on Tue, 09 Feb 2021. You can see that DilloNG was based on on that commit. When I imported the tree, that commit was not yet available, but it was added later. The dillo-plus repo initially imported the 3.0.5 release (AFAIK) and then merged all the changes from DilloNG in a gigantic commit, which mostly includes the oficial changes of the mercurial repository.

So, there is no "old code" in the sense of an older release, just features from dillo-plus that I didn't integrate (for now) with https://github.com/dillo-browser/dillo/. I am aware of all other forks, and I keep links in the README so other people can discover them too. DilloMaintainer (talk) 23:18, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

HTTPS support

Disclaimer: I maintain https://github.com/dillo-browser/dillo.

The article claims that HTTPS was added by the DilloNG fork:

> A plug-in to add HTTPS support is likewise under development.

> DilloNG is a fork hosted on GitHub which moved the code from Mercurial while adding HTTPS support

But this is not true. The official Dillo had HTTPS support since dillo-0.8.0 on Feb 08, 2004. Initially the HTTPS support was provided by a plugin (called a DPI in Dillo terminology) and later moved to the browser itself, by corvid on May 8, 2015, based on the work of other developers (check the copyright lines for details) which added support for OpenSSL and LibreSSL. Later the HTTPS support was ported to mbedTLS instead, by corvid too in Jul 3, 2016 as OpenSSL was considered a nightmare:

> OpenSSL is such a notorious nightmare--one gets the distinct impression that the developers have not taken their responsibility seriously--that I was curious to try a different one that is supposed to be more comprehensible.

Notice that corvid also uses the username eocene.

DilloNG never claimed that they added HTTPS support, but dillo-plus did "A lightweight web browser based on Dillo but with many improvements, such as: support for http, https [...]". However, they decided to not keep the git history, so now it is hard to determine who wrote what on their repository.

Later, I decided to merge the support for OpenSSL and mbedTLS (none written by me) so they can be selected at build time, so the user can choose which one wants. I also added some patches to build Dillo with OpenSSL 1.1 and 3 as well as some fixes for bad behaved servers, as you can see in the ChangeLog. Dillo is now built with TLS support by default, unless explicitly instructed not to. DilloMaintainer (talk) 22:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)