Talk:Carlsbad, California

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I updated the master planned community descriptions in 92009 today. Will try to update 92011 next. Cal Coast

POV

There seems to be an edit war going on right now. Short Verses is factually correct in his edits. Much of what 128.54.213.52 has posted is bogus and definitely POV. First of all" the city is divided into three sections" is false; the city has several neighborhoods/areas: downtown, Barrio Carlsbad, tanglewood, Calaveras, Ponto, Aviara, and La Costa among others. If one were to divide the city, it would be between La Costa and the rest of the city (only La Costa has the institutional history and its own identity separate of Carlsbad.) Also "Aviara is usually considered the wealthiest of the three" is false. While Aviara has many expensive homes, they are tract homes and the average Aviara home is far less expensive than a house along Skyline Dr. and especially the homes along Agua Hedionda lagoon, many of which go for multi-millions of dollars and whose owners are the peers of Fairbanks Ranch and Rancho Santa Fe (far wealthier than most Aviara residents.) These houses are in what 128.54.213.52 considers "Carlsbad." "... and are about on par with some nearby communities such as La Jolla and Rancho Santa Fe..." is not true either. Both La Jolla and Rancho Santa Fe are wealthier areas (especially Rancho Santa Fe) and have more expensive residences.

"Both Aviara and La Costa have no locally administered municipal government," implies that they are distinct political entities with relationships to Carlsbad that are on par with La Jolla's relationship to the city of San Diego. Aviara and La Costa are no different than the other nieghborhoods that I already mentioned.

"Likewise, both Aviara and La Costa maintain a distinct zip code (92009) separate from the City of Carlsbad" is false as well for two reasons. One, Aviara and La Costa are part of Carlsbad, therefore this statement is an impossibility. Two, there are other neighborhoods (such as Ponto) that share this ZIP code as well.

"(which, notably, contains a community named Aviara)" Why is this notable?

"The faux-gated community of Aviara is an exclusive resort community nestled in the hills of South Carlsbad, overlooking the Pacific Ocean and Batiquitos Lagoon." - POV

The rest of the Aviara article section reads like a real estate advertisement.

MrHudson 07:43, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks MrHudson. Actually, in my recent edits I was attempting to satisfy 128.54.213.52 while providing factual information. "(which, notably, contains a community named Aviara)" was one of my edits to attempt to do so. Also, 128.54.213.52 was raising the income levels by $30,000 or so (I can tell she didn't have a source because the last three digits of her numbers were identical to the census stats, the income numbers are correct now on the main page as far as I know) and so I needed to obtain a recent figure by SANDAG with a higher income value. I wanted the information on the page to be factual but an edit war will not be particularly helpful either.

Although he/she did provide some useful information like the location and characteristics of certain communities within Carlsbad, 128.54.213.52 worded the information in extremely biased language. I attempted to remove most of the POV, but the user is very persistant in reverting edits to do so. What do you suggest we do?

Short Verses 18:02, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Proper Title

Under "Attractions" The proper title is the "Gemological Institute of America."

• • Go ahead and make these kinds of edits. You don't need to notify people that you're doing so. Short Verses 16:56, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Also, it's not properly referred to as an "attraction," so I moved it up one section.205.143.123.88 21:04, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

"Most expensive city"

^{"It is the most expensive city in North County, San Diego."}[Introducion, 1st paragraph, last sentence as of 11/24/2007]
I'm not sure what this means. It's a bit vague. Does this imply that you have to be more well to do (on average) than in other cities in order to afford living there? Please clarify, because I can't interpret what is being said. Thanks.

I think it was true that at one time Carlsbad became the second richest city per capita in the US. This was because Oceanside and Vista turned down both the May Company Mall (Plaza Camino Real Shopping Mall) and Car Country Carlsbad from joining their communities, the "no growth" movement was strong at that time. The Mall opened in 1969 and Car Country in 1972. Both supplied a large tax base for Carlsbad. Car Country, organized by R.H. Brooking (Brooking Olds/Mercedes now Hoehn Motors), is now the largest tax source for Carlsbad. Eric. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericbrooking (talk • contribs) 18:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Isn't Bel Air, Palo Alto, or Novato the richer per capita in USA? Aren't Del Mar or La Jolla more expensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.20.143 (talk) 14:46, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

They have moe affluent residents but here we are talking about the tax base generated by commerce. 70.181.193.156 (talk) 03:38, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, more not moe! 70.181.193.156 (talk) 03:40, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Master planned communities?

Since when is Wikipedia a real estate guide? This level of minutiae about created communities within a city is unprecedented on Wikipedia, and doesn't belong here. Look at any other city's article, and you will not see any neighborhood-by-neighborhood description of an area. I think there's a real estate nut run amok here, seriously. Twunchy (talk) 06:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree. There is no need to list every part of Carlsbad, its really ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eragon123123 (talk • contribs) 03:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

• If someone properly uses secondary sources to write about a neighborhood, and the neighborhood has a lot of info, one could make the neighborhood have a separate article.
• But what I see here is simply an unreferenced list of stuff. It can be deleted for simply not being referenced.
• WhisperToMe (talk) 02:19, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

^ Disagree. I think this is a well put together and concise synopsis. IME, it is one of the better city wiki pages out there and it is one of the first things that has always popped up when one googles C'bad...

Having said that- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.11.20.21 (talk) 00:54, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Changed "highest cost of living" to "highest standard of living" at the bottom of the intro paragraph: The amenities such as high quality education, etc. mentioned beforehand don't nec argue for a high "cost" as much as for a high "standard".

Modified Southeast Quad's 2nd sentence in stating "One of the most expensive", "million dollar homes", etc. Always stuck in my craw and sounded pompous to me. More importantly, not accurate- there are many million dollar homes in all of C and the 92011 is arguably more expensive... When you say "one of" with 4 quads demonstrates the pompousness of before edit. Peace, C'bad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.11.20.21 (talk) 00:50, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Politics

The politics section of this entry is consistently update by a bias party who continues to not cite his "factual" information. The information most recently updated about the mayoral campaign cannot be verified and is opinion based. These entries should be removed until the author can site his statistics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.199.183.97 (talk) 18:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Rob Dyrdek and Big Black did not live in Carlsbad during the filming of MTV's Rob and Big

Rob Dyrdek and Big Black did NOT live in Carlsbad during the filming of Rob and Big (MTV). They lived at 3230 N. Knoll Drive in LA, CA 90068 (just east of the 101 Hwy @ Cahuenga Pass... 1/2 mi. NW of Hollywood Reservoir). I want somebody else to read this, please verify they lived here (this is FOR SURE the home they filmed at) and if correct fix the entry for Rob Dyrdek in the Carlsbad, CA entry.

There is no date for this entry, so I am unsure of how old this discussion is but, given that no-one has been able to verify the claim, I am going to remove the reference to Dyrdek in the notable residents section.--Soulparadox (talk) 05:40, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Notable residents section

I have added one entry to this section,. with an accompanying citation, and it seems reasonable to me that all entries in this section are proven with a source. Does this seem reasonable to other copyeditors?--Soulparadox (talk) 05:40, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Dale D. Myers?

I just restored Mr. Myers to the list of notables. His article indicates that he resides in La Costa. La Costa is a part of Carlsbad. This should seem obvious to anybody who is familiar with the Carlsbad area, or who has read the discussion above. In fact, when you click on La Costa, California in the article, you are redirected to Carlsbad, California. DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 01:28, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Not everyone editing this article is familiar with particular neighbourhoods of the city, such as La Costa. It would improve the article if all of the neighbourhoods were listed. Thanks. Richard Apple (talk) 23:41, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Good point, Richard! Please see the changes I just made to the Southeast Quadrant section. I may do more. I think La Costa deserves an article of its own. After all, doesn't another Carlsbad neighborhood, Aviara, have its own article? DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 14:52, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Corporate headquarters

There's a long list of corporate headquarters listed, along with a description of what each company does. The company name often says what the company does, and the description just wastes space. For example "Kisco Senior Living, senior living". Duh. I'd suggest trimming out most of the obvious ones. Richard Apple (talk) 22:45, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Infobox is broken.

Carlsbad's infobox listing it's info is broken and I can't fix it. Would someone help fix it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.185.205.62 (talk) 16:53, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

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External Links

Hi User:Magnolia677, I noticed you deleted a couple links under Carlsbad,_California#External_links per your interpretation of WP:ELMINOFFICIAL and WP:LINKFARM. While I think some of the deletions were justified, I don't think that Carlsbad Historical Society violated the policy, and am not sure about the Wikivoyage page, either. --LucasGK123 (talk) 20:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

I realized that the Wikivoyage was already linked, so I only re-added the historical society link. --LucasGK123 (talk) 01:29, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@LucasGK123: The Carlsbad Historical Society offers some historical information, though the site appears largely commercial, offering photos for sale, and promoting fee-based membership. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:32, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Carlsbad, California

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Carlsbad, California's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "ReferenceA":

• From Down syndrome: Wysocki, J. Philip Sapp; Lewis R. Eversole; George P. (2002). Contemporary oral and maxillofacial pathology (2nd ed.). St. Louis: Mosby. pp. 39–40. ISBN 978-0-323-01723-7.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
• From Jesse Arreguín: Larson, Pamela (October 22, 2015). "City Councilmember Jesse Arreguin releases official announcement for mayoral run in Berkeley". The Daily Californian. Retrieved August 20, 2017.
• From Tampa Bay Buccaneers: "Bucs sign sixth-round pick Gradkowski". ESPN.com. Archived from the original on February 4, 2019. Retrieved February 4, 2019.
• From Lake: Cael, B. B.; Seekell, D. A. (2016-07-08). "The size-distribution of Earth's lakes". Scientific Reports. 6 (1): 29633. Bibcode:2016NatSR...629633C. doi:10.1038/srep29633. ISSN 2045-2322. PMC 4937396. PMID 27388607.
• From Indian reservation: William J Bauer, “The Rise and Fall of Indian Country, 1825–1855,” History: Reviews of New Books 36, no. 2 (Winter 2008): 51.
• From 1984 United States presidential election: Lynn, Frank (January 15, 1984). "State Drawing Presidential Hopefuls State". The New York Times. Retrieved August 11, 2014.
• From Temecula, California: "Archived copy". Archived from the original on July 1, 2012. Retrieved January 26, 2014.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: archived copy as title (link)
• From 2008 United States presidential election: "Fast Facts - Elections - Election Watch| Center for American Women and Politics". Archived from the original on April 30, 2009. Retrieved May 31, 2015.
• From Democratic Party (United States): "Voting Rights". Democrats.org. Archived from the original on February 9, 2014. Retrieved February 2, 2014.
• From Palmdale, California: Palmdale: How It All Began. City of Palmdale. 1998.
• From Coronado, California: https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2016-general/ssov/pres-by-political-districts.pdf

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Election results

User:2600:8801:DF1E:6B00:49C0:1FAD:297:E1F4 has posted historic presidential election results for the city. This information is unencyclopedic cruft and should be removed. There is no suggestion at WP:USCITIES to add historic presidential voting results, and Wikipedia is not a directory or an indiscriminate collection of stuff. There was a previous discussion at Talk:Covington, Virginia#Presidential election results, though some participants felt Covington was more a county than a city. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:15, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Why Gene Roddenberry?

Neither the WP article on Gene Roddenberry nor the reference given for him in this article mentions Carlsbad. So why is he listed as a Notable Person here? DaKine (talk) 00:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)