Talk:Advanced cardiac life support

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 25 October 2021 and 20 November 2021. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Old Mother Hubbs. Peer reviewers: Jlg4947.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 13:28, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

ACLS

ACLS is "advanced cardiac life support." I corrected the error in this article where it was asserted that CPR is part of ACLS. CPR is NOT part of ACLS unless given by an advanced healthcare provider such as a paramedic or physician, typically in between administration of cardiac drugs or while a defibrillator is recharging. clarka April 7 2004

CPR is a part of ACLS. But ACLS is not necessarily a part of CPR. MoodyGroove 20:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

ACLS is "Advanced Cardiovascular Life Support" ^{American Heart Association} You must have Basic Life Support (BLS, or colloquially termed "CPR") to even take the course, and even then BLS skills are assessed at the very beginning of the class and if you fail them you cannot continue into ACLS. ACLS can only be taken by clinicians who are able to perform the roles involved; Registered Nurses, Respiratory Therapists, Paramedics, Physicians, and their mid-level associates (Nurse Practitioners, Physician Assistants). ACLS is every aspect of maintaining an emergency from an advanced point of view. It is not a single skill implemented between other skills or interventions; it is the entirety of every skill and every intervention during a cardiovascular emergency. Pulmonological (talk) 22:28, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Removed this sentence

"The effectiveness of the entire set of ACLS interventions has been called into serious doubt."

I downloaded and read the reference provided, and it's clear that it only pertains to ACLS interventions in cardiopulmonary arrest. That is not the entire set of ACLS interventions. For example, when you give calcium gluconate to a patient with life threatening hyerkalemia, you are performing an ACLS intervention. Many therapies geared toward the peri-arrest patient are not called into question. I carried the reference over to the previous statement about the effectiveness of ACLS for cardiac arrest. Best, MoodyGroove 20:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Section on drowning

I removed this section (that was placed below the references):

Drowning is a major injury burden worldwide causing an estimated 500000 deaths annually [1]. In many countries, including the United States, the incidence of drowning is consistently highest among children younger than 5 years and next highest in those 15 to 19 years old [1]. In 2001, an estimated 4174 persons were treated in a US emergency department (ED) for nonfatal unintentional drowning injuries in recreational settings (including pools and natural bodies of water), and 3372 persons had fatal unintentional drowning injuries [2]. During this period, children younger than 5 years accounted for nearly 50% of US ED visits for drowning, and children 5 to 14 years, an additional 25%. Fatality rates were highest in those children less than 5 years. The etiology of drowning is multifactorial, varying with both age and geographic location [3]. Despite being a leading cause of injury and cardiac arrest in children, the average ED physician will only treat a small number of drowning victims annually.

To me it looks like this was a 'cut' and 'paste' from some other online resource. It also seems out of place in the article. It's all epidemiology and nothing about ACLS care of drowning victims. MoodyGroove 16:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

http://www.criticalconceptsusa.com/Courses_Hollywood/ACLS.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Criticalconceptsinc (talk • contribs) 14:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

ACLS Algorithms, Image Usage

I have added ACLS Algorithms and notes on their usage. The ACLS algorithms used were taken from http://www.resus.co.uk/ (the first image), and http://circ.ahajournals.org/, respectively. These images have no licence, however the images are free to download from either website. Any assistance in creating a licence on wikimedia commons for these images would be appreciated - i'm somewhat new to wikipedia. Thanks again, 16:26, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

2010 Resus Guidelines

Seeing that the ALS guidelines were updated this year, now would be a good time for an update? I'll do as much as I can. My sources are UK based, so if someone could add in some US AHA details that would be appreciated. FinalCoyote (talk) 15:42, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Some has already been updated. ILCOR/AHA update should be similar to elsewhere.--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:38, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

FYI, the next update is due to come out in late 2015, no date is available yet Full Decent (talk) 18:39, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Spam

Please assist me in starring this page and remove anonymous/fake account edits to add the spam link for aclscertification com. And please review my edit history on this page to see I am making good contributions and adding references before trusting me! Full Decent (talk) 18:43, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

I saw a few months ago that the "Lists of Algorithms" needed a citation. https://www.acls.net/aclsalg.htm I tried to reference a citation that makes perfect sense and is a free resource and even had some friends help me try to enter it correctly and it is being flagged as spam. I am newer to all this and it is frustrating sometimes because I am trying to help but I am not sure why I am being rejected because the people that delete it don't explain why. Any feedback would be helpful.--DemetriusGiannopoulos (talk) 16:18, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

DemetriusGiannopoulos - While you added the reference in good faith, I agree with the user who undid your edit that it is not appropriate for inclusion. The link you provided was not a website containing the algorithm charts, but rather a site selling said charts. References should be reputable news/information sources as opposed to sites selling things. Primefac (talk) 18:33, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Primefac - The I could agree that they do sell things on the site but if you look you will buy a poster of the algorithm. you can click the PDF and download and print it out for free. There are other algorithms that do not even contain info graphics for sale but just informational. I will admit I was angry and thought it was purely commercial but upon closer inspection you can see the information and download it for free. The payment would be for the large poster. I have ties to this site and could potentially ask to release one of these pdf's for use on wikimedia so we could directly see in in the page. I am just hesitant to go through that and just have it deleted by whoever doesn't see it as "relevant"--DemetriusGiannopoulos (talk) 19:16, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

DemetriusGiannopoulos - if you can get a picture of the Algorithms up on Wiki Commons under a share-alike licence, and link this page to the image(s), there is absolutely no reason why someone would delete the image(s). Primefac (talk) 19:32, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

The algorithms are published in circulation without the for sale signs. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 07:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

Talk Section for work done under Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment Old Mother Hubbs (talk) 19:21, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Work Plan (Note: not fully inclusive of all changes that may be made during project)

Planned edits	Details/Issues
Structure	Rework overall structure to increase clarity and inclusivity
Content	Accuracy of current page is intermittent, largely due to misconceptions about ACLS scope Identification of authoring bodies for guidelines Add implementation section Add section about ACLS certification that clearly identifies it as different than the guidelines Add algorithm section that clarifies the algorithmic approach to ACLS, includes algorithms, and removes content that misstates ACLS as algorithms instead of guidelines Rework current ECG section to be a section about interventions used in ACLS that is clearer and more accurate
References	Update and add references using current guidelines and interim updates

-Old Mother Hubbs (talk) 19:48, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Peer Review

Nice work. Very concise, easy to understand, and not too technical. The links and resources all seem to be working. Jlg4947 (talk) 15:56, 15 November 2021 (UTC) Jlg4947

Merger proposal

The concepts of "ALS" and "ACLS" are redundant (see https://www.cprseattle.com/blog/bls-als-acls-whats-the-difference), and I think all of the content in the ALS page belongs here, in the ACLS page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 221MD (talk • contribs) 13:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Please respond in the consolidated discussion at Talk:Advanced life support#Merger Proposal with ACLS. – wbm1058 (talk) 19:32, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Closing, given the uncontested objection and no support for the 2022 proposal (see the other page). Klbrain (talk) 10:36, 12 March 2023 (UTC)